Earth Shattering Events



  • A funny one this one.
    What were the events that growing up had a major effect on your psyche?
    I ask because while browsing through the library - I look through the reshelving as that's where the good books are - I came across a book called 'Operation Thunderbolt' reading the title on the back spine.
    I kind went 'meh, doesn't grab me" but turned the book over to check what it was about. It was subtitled 'Flight 139 and the raid on Entebbe Airport'. Bam! I was hooked. I'm only 27 pages in so far - I'll let you now what I think of it in the Book Club thread - but that word "Entebbe" had me just like that.
    I really can't recall all that much about Entebbe. It did occur on my 10th birthday. It did contribute to the legend of the Isrealis being the ultra awesome military commandos (27 pages in that's already questionable .... they had plenty of practice...).
    But "Entebbe". It was a word that resonated from my childhood. A single word that sent shivers down my spine but I wasn't sure why.
    It was "important" even if I really couldn't put my finger on it.
    It made me think of other major events from the past that had similar effect. For me off the top of my head I could think of:

    • Entebbe
    • Jonestown
    • Erebus
      If you were alive in the 70s and 80s the single words should rattle your memories. I'll think of some others and post them, but wondered what yours were?


  • Nyngan Floods
    Hoddle Street Massacre
    Challenger Shuttle Disaster
    Moscow Olympics being boycotted by Yanks
    Los Angeles Olympics being boycotted by Soviets
    Cold War in general - after seeing Threads, nuclear war freaked me out in general as a kid.



  • I was born in the 80's so most of the above were before my time. The first two to come to mind for me were:
    9/11
    Eion Crossan leaving Bay of Plenty to play rugby league for the Rabbitohs.
    I also remember my brother crying inconsolably when John Gallagher went to league (we led a sheltered childhood)



  • Berlin Wall and 9/11 internationally, Canterbury earthquake locally.



  • Erebus & Mt St Helens were probably the first two big things I can remember.
     
    Erebus because it was "and this is how planes crash" and St Helens because it was "you know volcano's? there are some you can see from your house! this one is just like them!"
     
    Both contributed to a world view that is sort "me'h, whats the worst that could happen? This seems better than that, I'm sure it'll be fine" & being quite fatalistic, like "there's nothing the people on the Erebus flight could have done so there's zero point in stressing while flying".
     
    I remember John Lenon & Elvis dying, but I just never gave a shit. Its not like Big Ted was dead or anything.
     
    I remember not caring about the Columbia disaster as I couldn't see the point, they were going to go up, fly round the earth, come back. They weren't even going to the moon or anything, more than anything I thought "well, thats embaressing for them"



  • Munich Olympics. Erebus. Queen St Riots II. Bok Tour.



  • Cold War in general - after seeing Threads, nuclear war freaked me out in general as a kid.

    I'd never really read much about the Cold War or taken a lot of interest in it, but I've recently started a Masters Degree and one of the papers was quite heavily centred on the cold war. I wrote and essay about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Fuck me, it's kinda scary how close the world came to a nuclear war during that 2 week period. I don't know if they gave that 1 Russian General who vetoed the missile strike on America a medal when the other 2 had given the green light, but he sure as hell deserves it. Probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives.



  • Another description wiuld be the kind of spooky, kind of frightening, kind of awesome stuff you remember.
    9/11 fits the bill definitely, as does Chch, but they happened in my adulthood.
    Crucial: I forgot to include the Tour.
    And you must be older than me ... Munich slips out of my list as I couldn't be absolutely sure I remember it happening at the time (being 4yo).
    Nick: wasn't Threads god awful scary?



  • The only thing I remember about Erebus is a newsreader saying they still hadn't been in contact and all their fuel would have run out by now. I was pretty young so my sister had to explain it to me.
    9/11, challenger , the 87 crash, the Berlin Wall coming down and Aramoana all stand out.
    winning the 1987 rwc , thinking that was predictable and s big pointless . We are going to win it every time aren't we?



  • I was pretty young for Munich but I do remember all the adults talking about it and how big a deal it was.
     
    The prospect of nuclear war in general was probably the biggie though. Kids today can't understand how that was a very real and very scary prospect.



  • Not a "world" shattering event but the start of something in NZ for me as a young guy at primary school was the Land March and Bastion Point.



  • I do mean it is stuff that rocked your world.



  • Rainbow Warrioir, springbok tour in 81 (was 7)
    For some reason Muldoons snap election....also still recall for some reason the moment I heard on the radio that Diana had been killed...9/11 as I was in the UK and my boss told us about the first plane and I thought he was joking (notorious joker) even though it woulda been a daft joke.
    Recall the AB v Italy game in 1987 better than the final.
     
    My first shag, although surely it was more earth shattering for her, surely?



  • Mum getting rid of my pram. I had to fucking walk everywhere after that.
     
    Being forced to go to school at the age of five. Why couldn't I stay at home and play with my toys? Why did I have to play with other kids?



  • Robert Kennedy Assassination
     
    Apollo 11 Moon Landings piped live over radio at school
     
    This photo

    Remember picking up a paper in Brighton that was folded in half top half of page headline reads PLANE CRASHES IN ANTARCTIC. Turn paper over and see the photo of the tail in the snow.  Felt very alone. Didn't know anyone in the northern hemisphere to talk about how I felt.
     
    Russian invasion of Afghanistan - was living in eastern Netherlands. There was a lot of fear. Jets being scrambled constantly. Tank traps on motorway
     
    Biafran Civil War - for about a year calling a kid at school a biafran was the biggest insult. TV was new and scenes of malnourished kids with flies crawling all over them shocked NZ
     
    Norm Kirk dying
     
    Listening to Munich 8 win gold on a "trannie"  in Coromandel
     
    Watergate
     
    Nadia Comaneci
     
    The phenomenon that was the Muppets
     
    The Soweto riots / 1976 AB Tour / African boycott at Montreal / Walkers gold
     
    The fall of Saigon
     
    Calculators!!!!!
     
    Thatcher and the Winter of Discontent
     
    and that's just up to 1980!!!



  • I'm a bit younger than most of you being born in the mid 80s, but I remember being told about Erebus constantly as a young kid - it seemed more recent and still very raw in the NZ public even at that time (early 90s).
     
    For my generation Princess Diana seemed like a big deal, 9/11 for sure, in a sporting sense I don't think anything has ever come close to holding the national psyche hostage like the '95 America's Cup challenge.



  • The first day i found out how much fun getting on the piss was.
    The first day i found out how much fun getting with ladies was.
     
    I spent the rest of my life in pursuit of both of those things, to the exclusion of nearly everything else. Definitely life-shaping.
     
     
    I really wanted to write a serious answer to what is a pretty good question, but i found i couldn't, and be sincere. While i have watched those events unfold (i was unemployed on 9/11, so watched the day unfold), i can't honestly say they have affected my view of the world. While i can be shocked or moved by events, i have found that they don't really shape my thinking in any way (on a tangible or noticeable level anyway). I find myself to be very micro in my thinking, focused on stuff immediate to me, and that i have some ability to control. 
     
    However, in the spirit of the thread, i guess on that resonates in my family is the Ranui disaster at Mt Maunganui, as my grandmother's first husband, the therefore the father of half of my uncles was the skipper. I stop at that memorial every time i walk around the Mount



  • Wahine disaster.
     
    Moon landing.
     
    Munich Olympics.
     
    Norm Kirk dying - "The Press" headline was "Death of a Statesman".
     
    Christchurch Commonwealth Games - after Dick Taylor's run I went down to the local rugby ground and ran laps until I'd done 10,000 meters - or an approximation of - started my running "career" .
     
    French nuclear testing at Mururoa.
     
    Springbok tour.



  • The Falklands



  • I remember the 81 tour only because the old man and my granddad wouldn't take me to the Maori v Boks game in Napier, and then my Dad came home with a massive scratch on his head where some dude through a tomato can at him.
     
    Snap election, remember at the time but likely my memory has been augmented by reading about it.
     
    Rainbow Warrior was a biggy too.
     
    Edinburgh Commonwealth Games as we split into teams for school and I got Jersey. I was hoping for Canada, or Jamaica, or even Wales and I got frikkin Jersey.
     
    Halley's Comet was huge, I think my whole school year in 1986 was devoted to Halley's Comet.
     
    1987 WC, yeah we won, where'd that Jones fella come from, that guy Zinny has a cool name, Gingas play rugby, same as Jegga - first of many, yay MJ and that skinny white fellow with the paedo mo brought the WC to school.
     
    Princess Di was actually one of those remember when moments - in a car driving down Peachgrove Rd heading towards Chartwell to go to the food court. It was announced she was in an accident, all the tane said yep she's dead, all the wahine said nah she's fine.



  • There are big moments I clearly recall, but I was so far removed from them that despite an element of shock I let the moment pass; big three being  Challenger disaster, Berlin Wall coming down and the death of the Princess of Wales.
     
    But 9/11 was the earth shattering moment. I was living in the mess and someone said a plane had crashed into the WTC so I went down to the TV room to have a look. There was a bunch of us in the room and after a while I was about to go outside to have a smoke when the second plane hit and the realisation of it all hit me like a 10 foot wave. I turned to everyone else in the room who had various expressions of shock and simply said; "the world has changed men, we're going to be busy from now on". Nothing else has had such an impact.



  • boxing day tsunami.



  • Faoir call M4L. The event that probably defined who I am more than any other was when I was at Uni and the Engineers got smacked around by black power for their "harmless fun" hakas during orientation.
     
    It mobilised the campus like nothing else in my years there mainly because the President of the Student Union whilst not supporting the violence, said she could understand why after 30 years of asking the engineering guys not to do it some people had taken matters into their own hands.
     
    Fucking hell. The debate raged in the quad for days. Mainly because of shameless politicking by the person who had finished second in the presidential vote.
     
    6,000 students voted that the pres be thrown out of office coz the engineering students were only having a bit of fun dressing up in grass skirts and painting penises and obscenities on their bodies. Bloody horis can't take a joke eh.
     
    50 voted that she should stay.
     
    Really opened my eyes to the unthinking racism of the day. I was already planning to take off overseas. That made me confident I was making the right decision.
     
    Chris can't believe I forgot the wahine and mururoa



  • As someone said earlier, Mount St. Helens was just remarkable. At the time we were living in Calgary and Washing State isn’t that far away plus some of the ash made its way to Calgary. And a couple of years previously we had been holidaying in that very area as my family would travel and go camping every school holidays into the Pacific North West of the US.
     
    Like many, the Challenger disaster as we were watching it live at Uni. The big deal pre-flight was all about Christa McAuliffe, being a woman and first school teacher in space. Watching that blow up and slowly break apart and then watching all those bits falling back to earth still resonates with me to this day.
     
    Princess Diana, I don’t know why hearing of her death shocked me so much but I can imagine it is similar for those who say that they remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when they heard JKF was shot. I have the clearest memory of that very day and that very moment when I heard the news on the radio and I the shock that followed.
     
    But the two most powerful moments have been:
     
    9/11 – I was watching SBS news that night when the very first reports of the first plane crashing into the tower were just hitting the airwaves. The SBS news then took the feed from one of the American broadcasters of the smoking tower only to show a few minutes later the second plane hitting tower two live on TV.
     
    I didn’t go into work that day and I was glued to the TV for hours and watched both towers come down live on TV. To say this was shocking is simply a huge understatement.
     
    The Boxing Day Tsunami – Getting up hung over on Boxing Day morning at the in-laws place and turning on the TV to see the first reports of the tsunami. Again, just as with 9/11 we all spent the day just glued to the TV as the extent of the absolute horror and loss of life unfolded.
     
    Honourable mention goes to the Japan Tsunami which had some of the most amazing footage of a disaster occurring live that I’ve ever witnessed.



  • What is sobering is that Nice this morning is not really registering on the shock and awe scale.



  • What is sobering is that Nice this morning is not really registering on the shock and awe scale.

    Compassion fatigue. Much like car bombings in Iraq or mass shootings in the USA, you're starting to expect it.



  • Wahine disaster.
     
    Moon landing.
     
    Munich Olympics.
     
    Norm Kirk dying - "The Press" headline was "Death of a Statesman".
     
    Christchurch Commonwealth Games - after Dick Taylor's run I went down to the local rugby ground and ran laps until I'd done 10,000 meters - or an approximation of - started my running "career" .
     
    French nuclear testing at Mururoa.
     
    Springbok tour.

    While not earth shattering for me because it happened five years before I was born my father was on it when it sank and understandably  I don't think he ever got over it .



  • Chris can't believe I forgot the wahine and mururoa

    Wahine is the first news item I can remember seeing on TV.
     
    Not surprised Jegga - I've watched some of those big storms in Wellington and imagined jumping into the harbour.



  • Hilary Barry's last appearance on 3 news.



  • Freddie Mercury's death, vividly recall coming back after hunting for a piston wristed gibbon that smashed into my mates mums car and took off and seeing it on the news.



  • Hilary Barry's last appearance on 3 news.

    We have a winner



  • .
    But 9/11 was the earth shattering moment. I was living in the mess and someone said a plane had crashed into the WTC so I went down to the TV room to have a look. There was a bunch of us in the room and after a while I was about to go outside to have a smoke when the second plane hit and the realisation of it all hit me like a 10 foot wave. I turned to everyone else in the room who had various expressions of shock and simply said; "the world has changed men, we're going to be busy from now on". Nothing else has had such an impact.

    At home on the couch, watching Sandra Sully deliver the late night news. Had just turned the TV on and she was there looking very concerned with a smoking building in the background.
    Called out to the fiancée (future Mrs TA) "hey look at this!"
    As she walked into the room, the second plane hit. Fucking surreal. We just sat there and held each other for the next hour, wondering what the hell was going on, and how the world was going to change in the next year leaving up to our wedding.
    Flew out to NZ on 7 September 2002, nervously wondering if there would be anniversary follow up attacks while we were overseas.
    And we had the time of our lives over there, including a stack of honeymoon sex, so I forgot about it.
    Who's laughing now, Usama?



  • Freddie Mercury's death, vividly recall coming back after hunting for a Willis that smashed into my mates mums car and took off and seeing it on the news.

    Freddy was great on the piano but he really sucked on the organ



  • you'd know!



  • At home on the couch, watching Sandra Sully deliver the late night news. Had just turned the TV on and she was there looking very concerned with a smoking building in the background.
    Called out to the fiancée (future Mrs TA) "hey look at this!"
    As she walked into the room, the second plane hit. Fucking surreal. We just sat there and held each other for the next hour, wondering what the hell was going on, and how the world was going to change in the next year leaving up to our wedding.
    Flew out to NZ on 7 September 2002, nervously wondering if there would be anniversary follow up attacks while we were overseas.
    And we had the time of our lives over there, including a stack of honeymoon sex, so I forgot about it.
    Who's laughing now, Usama?

    My brother rang me from UK and woke me with the news which he was watching live. My end of the conversation was "No fucking way! Fucking Hell! Fuck off! " Watched it all right through night until I had to go to work.
     
    I had to catch the red eye to Sydney the next day. There were about 20 passengers on what was usually a full flight. Quite eerie - only about 5 ppl in the Koru lounge



  • I seem to remember that Daisy Duke from Dukes of Hazzard and Wilma Deering from Buck Rogers in 25th Century had a pretty earth shattering effect on my psyche as I was growing up.



  • I seem to remember that Daisy Duke from Dukes of Hazzard and Wilma Deering from Buck Rogers in 25th Century had a pretty earth shattering effect on my psyche as I was growing up.

    I always preferred Wonder Woman for some reason....



  • Fuck!
     
    That has to be shopped



  • Fuck!
     
    That has to be shopped

    I don't think so, she was hot as fuck back in the day.



  • I was baked off my arse in the family living room watching 9/11. Was a pretty intense experience. Was going to go wake my mum up but was worried she'd see how wasted I was and ask questions.
     
    Oh the life of a student.


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