Stoats, rats, possums gone...?



  • I'm in favour.
     
    If it's doable.
     
    But no stoats etc: will rabbit numbers explode further?  I suppose rabbits don't eat Kiwis.
     
    Would be a magnificent achievement.



  • Have you seen this?



  • Oooh. 1hr 5 minutes Jegga.
    I might watch it later...



  • How for so?



  • It would be a hell of an achievement. I just don't see it happeneing.
     
    As I grow up.... I find I no longer swerve to hit possums and rabbits on the road but if I see a stoat or ferret, I line them up.
     
    We jsut did an eradication across the farm of Rats as they were starting to cost us a bit in the amount of feed they ruined. It's incredible how many are out there.



  • Yeah good fkn luck!
     
    I can see the rural and island eradication being a lot easier but those city rats.... where does one start?
     
    And then method of eradication will be a major talking point re poison vs poison free alternatives.



  • Yeah good fkn luck!
     
    I can see the rural and island eradication being a lot easier but those city rats.... where does one start?
     
    And then method of eradication will be a major talking point re poison vs poison free alternatives.

    Really,? I see it easier to eradicate in urban areas than rural. Accessibility to laying baits etc in urban areas rather than gridding out the bush and farm lands



  • I don't see it happening either like the video I linked to said if we did it would be our equivalent of the moon landing.
    i see there being more stoat and possum free places like Zealania though, I'm working about 5 km and there's loads of kaka and kereru around here that I guess go back there to roost at night.



  • Where's Zealania?
     
    Only pest free place I have been to is Wairaki golf course! Although they have some deer in there which I would argue is a pest.



  • https://www.visitzealandia.com In karori a wgtn suburb



  • I don't see it happening either like the video I linked to said if we did it would be our equivalent of the moon landing.
    i see there being more stoat and possum free places like Zealania though, I'm working about 5 km and there's loads of kaka and kereru around here that I guess go back there to roost at night.

    I don't see us achieving the goals but I applaud us for setting it.  Going to a predator free area and listen to the dawn (or evening chorus). Its magical and most people would pay a lot to have that across the country

    Where's Zealania?
     
    Only pest free place I have been to is Wairaki golf course! Although they have some deer in there which I would argue is a pest.

    I went into an area in Mt Aspiring National Park that had been fenced to keep deer out.  The difference between it and the areas that bambi could graze was remarkable.  Everyone has a mental image of a south island forest floor - inside the enclosure was like a jungle. 
     
    Those delicious ruminants sure cause a lot of damage with their browsing. Cull the buggers and make sure it gets to my dinner table



  • New Zealand is also going to be smoke free by 2025. Goals should be tough but achievable; this goal is basically impossible. I would love if it could happen though.



  • Really,? I see it easier to eradicate in urban areas than rural. Accessibility to laying baits etc in urban areas rather than gridding out the bush and farm lands

    Yes. We already have a pretty good track record of being able to do it on the islands etc around Auckland in particular. Getting rats out of the bush is pretty straight forward and achievable with the right amount of resources, it can even be done without poison, refer http://www.scoop.co.nz/.../unprecedented-0-pest-survival...
     
    Urban eradication though is pretty uncharted territory. Places like Auckland city would be a massive task!



  • I can't even get the fuckers out of my shed. Only thing that seems to work is a cat but then Gawef Morgan will pack a sad



  • I can't even get the fuckers out of my shed. Only thing that seems to work is a cat but then Gawef Morgan will pack a sad

    Have you laid the bait in a pouch stuff?  They flock to it.... once!  They eat it and get thirsty and drink and die real quick.



  • I don't see us achieving the goals but I applaud us for setting it.  Going to a predator free area and listen to the dawn (or evening chorus). Its magical and most people would pay a lot to have that across the country
     
     
    I went into an area in Mt Aspiring National Park that had been fenced to keep deer out.  The difference between it and the areas that bambi could graze was remarkable.  Everyone has a mental image of a south island forest floor - inside the enclosure was like a jungle. 
     
    Those delicious ruminants sure cause a lot of damage with their browsing. Cull the buggers and make sure it gets to my dinner table
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/10080858/Good-bush-regeneration-takes-time



  • Have you laid the bait in a pouch stuff?  They flock to it.... once!  They eat it and get thirsty and drink and die real quick.

    Yeah. Paid a fortune for all sorts of traps but never get the whole population so they die back and then reappear.
     
    Apparently the fuckers will take the bait back to the nest but not al the population will eat it until they check out that those that do survive. Cunning bastards



  • http://www.backyardkiwi.org.nz/
     
    Have done a great job of eradicating pests form a part of the Whangarei Heads (and educating locals about dogs)
     
    I went to a release they did a couple of years back (that they do regularly anyway) and is a really heartwarming thing to see.
     
    When we were renting out near the above area where Kiwis were in the bush (you hear them at night - if you haven't heard Kiwi before at night, it is quite eerie to hear them) one of my cats bought in stoats.



  • I'm lucky enough to live 2 minutes from a remnant kauri forest even though I'm only 5 kms from Queen St  so I do get a reasonable diversity of birdlife.  Really like lying in bed listening to the ruru or hearing the slow ponderous gravity defying swoosh of a keruru



  • About 15 years ago my neighbours bought their kid a pet stoat WTF
     
    Kiwi at night sound great. Loved mooring the yacht in an isolated bay and hearing them cry out. The peacocks on Kawau - not so much



  • I have a mate who works for DOC in the coromandel ranges and we often go stay at his little hut up near Port Charles when we go fishing over that way. They've done a lot of work there eradicating the pests and the bird life there is just amazing. So dam loud too, especially the Kaka.



  • the place we were renting was in 7 acres of dense native forest, and the birdlife we saw (but strangely, no where near as loud as they are where we are now) was amazing...at night, the place had a huge high window, and the lights in the house attracted the Puriri moth, which in turn attracted Morepork, you could sit there and watch the Morepork swoop in and take the Moths




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    Looks cool.



  • It would be a hell of an achievement. I just don't see it happeneing.
     
    As I grow up.... I find I no longer swerve to hit possums and rabbits on the road but if I see a stoat or ferret, I line them up.
     
    We jsut did an eradication across the farm of Rats as they were starting to cost us a bit in the amount of feed they ruined. It's incredible how many are out there.

    Completely off topic but I have to laugh at all the Vegans that "care so much about animals they refuse to eat meat!" yet all of the grains they are eating result in millions and millions of deaths to rodents via pest control. I guess they value some animals lives more then others.



  • Where's Zealania?
    Only pest free place I have been to is Wairaki golf course! Although they have some deer in there which I would argue is a pest.

    Maungatautari sanctuary isn't too far from you Hooroo.
    Pest fenced and all the nasties gone. Amazing how the birds come back strong.
    When we were in the hills out of Cambridge we would be lucky to see a Tui. Now they are around everywhere.
    Same in Welly. The Karori sanctuary has increased numbers enough that bird populations all over the place are exploding. We have Tui and Kereru in big numbers out in UH and in the last 5 years we have gone from seeing the odd Bellbird (Korimako) to having pairs nesting in our garden.



  • A mate of mine does pest control fir doc and said before pakeha got here there were no bees so lizards and birds were vital for pollinating flowers .
    Apparently some numpties have complained about the amount of noise coming from the birds in Zealandia at dawn , which I guess is a kind of back handed compliment . Other people who live close by like go into their backyard at night and listen to the sound of kiwis only 5 minutes drive from thd beehive .



  • Where's Zealania?
     
    Only pest free place I have been to is Wairaki golf course! Although they have some deer in there which I would argue is a pest.

    a tasty pest!



  • This is awesome. Bloody love NZ. Smoke free and pest free within a generation. It's awesome we're even trying, let alone there being a chance of actually pulling it off.



  • these are the kind of noisy neighbours you want
     
     
    doesnt really do it justice, but you get the idea
     
    https://www.dropbox.com/sc/32g73t6bdxrtfdg/AADHd4aJV3pDmo5o0dNbXwbXa



  • http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1911656
     
    I like this approach. Aussies killing 300 feral goats by introducing 4 male dingos to some island. And the dingos have cyanide capsules that trigger after 2 years. Last time the tried it the dingos killed 3,000 goats in 2 years. But then it took them 15 years to kill the dingos.



  • Great goal but with the ongoing cuts to DOC I wonder how realistic it is? interesting that they are being so ambitious with this goal compared to how they are approaching river and water quality benchmarks. I'd have thought both would be incredibly hard (and expensive) yakka, but well worth it. 
     
    I've had a little bit to do with Zealandia and it has matured into an awesome place. Our mates live nearby and there are a bunch of juvenile Kaka that bomb their hill on their way into the city to look for kai. Crazy that people are complaining about the dawn and evening chorus - like folks that buy inner city apartments (with single glazing) and then moan about noise!!



  • There's always dickheads like that around, the morons who built houses near the speedway and then complained about the noise were no better.



  • people are, in the main, fucking fluffybunnies



  • This unfortunate woman came around to my mates house on a Sunday morning to try and get him to sign a petition to get the red light turned off that planes use to guide themselves to the airport as it was keeping her up at night . He had a stinking hangover and apparently his response was incredibly excoriating according to his flat mate , I would have paid good money to be there .
    And the airport told her to move house if she didn't want live near the light .



  • ffs, those people give me the shits aye.  There was an older couple that lived near Bodega bar (wellies), they moved in AFTER the bar moved there from it's old upper willis street premises. Always feels like our inner city bars and restaurants have to carry the can as the council doesn't set decent guidelines for sound proofing - and the people buying don't sort their shit out ahead of time, or ignore the sound pollution issue until they experience a weekend in town! 
     
    On a (historical) tangent that was my big issue with former mayor Prendergast. She would abstain from big decisions about that sort of stuff as her husband was a property developer. So she'd say she was avoiding a conflict of interest and leave it to others.



  • there is a golf course up here, been there for over 100 years, and there was some property development on the neighbouring farmland in the early 90s...the old bints that live in one of the houses right by one of the greens of a shortish par 4, and its almost like they sit there waiting for you to step on their lawn to retrieve your ball that is just sitting there 2m form the boundary so they can have a go at you...they don't even have a fence, just a wee 1ft high border of plants that you step over.



  • Don't think you can beat the people who live near Eden Park for sheer numptiness. When I was at Uni, local body stories were a compulsory part of one paper, and we had to attend several ratepayer meetings. Cos they were nearby, I went to several in the Kingsland/Grey Lynn area. Jesus fuck.



  • I recall hearing about people who had moved from Chch to rural subdivisions in North Canty complaining about the pooh smell ...





  • @Billy-Tell if they want to stop rats rooting wouldn't it be easier to make up a bunch of tiny wedding rings for the female ones?


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