Black Caps Tour to Zimbabwe



  • First test starts tonight 730pm
     
    Our first test without Bmac for yonks and Kane's first go as our test skipper.
     
    A few changes for both teams since their last test (Zimbabwe's back in 2014) with probable lineups per cricinfo follows
     
    Zimbabwe: (probable) 1 Prince Masvaure, 2 Chamu Chibhabha/Brian Chari, 3 Hamilton Masakadza, 4 Peter Moor, 5 Sikandar Raza, 6 Craig Ervine, 7 Regis Chakabva (wk), 8 Sean Williams, 9 Graeme Cremer (capt), 10 Donald Tiripano/Michael Chinouya, 11 Njabulo Ncube
     
    New Zealand: (probable) 1 Martin Guptill, 2 Tom Latham, 3 Kane Williamson (capt), 4 Henry Nicholls, 5 Ross Taylor, 6 BJ Watling (wk), 7 Doug Bracewell 8 Ish Sodhi, 9 Tim Southee, 10 Mark Craig/Michael Santner 11 Trent Boult/Matt Henry/Neil Wagner
     
     
    Pitch is supposed to be pretty slow. I think they may go with Santner and Sohdi as our spinners so a more likely line up may be
    1 Martin Guptill, 2 Tom Latham, 3 Kane Williamson (capt), 4 Henry Nicholls, 5 Ross Taylor, 6 BJ Watling (wk), 7 Michael Santner,  8 Bracewell or Wagner 9 Tim Southee 10 Ish Sodhi, 11 Trent Boult



  • yay test cricket!
     
    Aus playing in SL at the moment too. Bowlers game so far, with Aus in front on first innings despite getting spun out again.
     
    Pakistan in England as well, series at 1-all.



  • oh, and the Indians fucked the West Indians pretty hard on the back of another Kohli double hundred, and a big all-round game for Ashwin



  • Thank goodness for the cricket otherwise I'd be struggling for anything to watch now Super rugby is finished.
     
    Corey Anderson is injured, but is Neesham also not yet fit? Neither made the squad.
     
    I'd like to see one of those two able to step up and genuinely be able to bat at five.
     
    Guptill, Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Anderson, Watling, Santner, Sodhi, Bracewell, Southee, Boult could be bloody good. Six bowling options (seven with Kane) and seven genuine batsmen, plus Sodhi and Bracewell who can both hold a bat.
     
    Guppy needs to find his way as an opener, Anderson needs to be able to bat at five and BJ at six - and we still have Nicholls, Neesham, Craig, Wagner, Henry, McClenaghan and maybe even Milne in the wings (plus doubtless a couple of others near test standard).



  • Thank goodness for the cricket otherwise I'd be struggling for anything to watch now Super rugby is finished.
     
    Corey Anderson is injured, but is Neesham also not yet fit? Neither made the squad.
     
    I'd like to see one of those two able to step up and genuinely be able to bat at five.
     
    Guptill, Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Anderson, Watling, Santner, Sodhi, Bracewell, Southee, Boult could be bloody good. Six bowling options (seven with Kane) and seven genuine batsmen, plus Sodhi and Bracewell who can both hold a bat.
     
    Guppy needs to find his way as an opener, Anderson needs to be able to bat at five and BJ at six - and we still have Nicholls, Neesham, Craig, Wagner, Henry, McClenaghan and maybe even Milne in the wings (plus doubtless a couple of others near test standard).

    There's plenty of room on the Canes bandwagon mate, just a short flight to the capital for you. Everyone else is backing the Chiefs just for the hilarity factor of the Canes choking again.
     
    Agree with everything you say about the Caps. Anderson and Neesh being injured so often is bloody infuriating.



  • If you're ever going to get an opportunityto bed yourself in as an opener, it's against Zimbabwe.



  • yay test cricket!
     
    Aus playing in SL at the moment too. Bowlers game so far, with Aus in front on first innings despite getting spun out again.
     
    Pakistan in England as well, series at 1-all.

    Pretty epic win for Pakistan in the first match but it was the Root show in the 2nd. He's got his average up to 56 now, fuck he is some player.
     
    Aussie continuing to show their batting lineup is pretty fragile. They should be routing that Sri Lankan side.



  • Where the suggestions that Taylor will bat at 5 coming from?



  • Yes, he will be at 4 as Chris B suggested, I think there was only one suggestion in this thread that there would be Taylor batting at 5.



  • Yeah i just took Cricinfo list but Taylor at 4 makes way more sense



  • Haven't talked cricket for ages so will try and engage the brain and carry on from the last convos......
     
    Is there room for Anderson AND the Neesh if both are fit ? part of me suspects not.
     
    Keen to see Sodhi get an extended run, Santner is obviously there to turn the arm over too and easy to forget that our new captain is more than handy at this too.
     
    Southee gets in on reputation it seems, time to find some form again son.
     
    Bracewell to get a run of low scores but every now and again break out a semi decent score and commentators to rave about his batting ability.
     
    I miss BMac.



  • I know its just Zimbabwe but there is really something about test cricket!



  • I know its just Zimbabwe but there is really something about test cricket!

    Quite correct JK, I've only heard of one of their players but still a wee bit excited about this.....



  • Quite correct JK, I've only heard of one of their players but still a wee bit excited about this.....

    Shit, you make me seem like a knowledgeable cricket geek when I know 4 of them!



  • Shit, you make me seem like a knowledgeable cricket geek when I know 4 of them!

    OK, second scan of the names and there might be a couple more I vaguely know.....



  • I'm 1.5.  Def heard of Hamilton Madagaskar!  and I think Craig Irvine rings a bell but that



  • I'm 1.5.  Def heard of Hamilton Madagaskar!  and I think Craig Irvine rings a bell but that

    You're probably getting mixed up with Hamilton, New Zealand mate....



  • I'm 1.5.  Def heard of Hamilton Madagaskar!  and I think Craig Irvine rings a bell but that

    If we're giving half marks put me down at 3.5 then.
     
    Hamilton Masakadza
    Craig Ervine
    Sean Williams
     
    Graeme Cremer... rings a bell, but not entirely sure...



  • Yes, he will be at 4 as Chris B suggested, I think there was only one suggestion in this thread that there would be Taylor batting at 5.

    2 Actually.
    Cric Info said it and JK also listed him at 5 in his team selection. based on that I was wondering if their had been some discussion about this from the team.



  • Well all these posts are proving the BCs shouldn't be satisfied with anything less than decisive victories.



  • I 'know' 7, at least 7 of them have played NZ before.



  • Brian Chari, Prince Masvaure, Peter Moor, Donald Tiripano/Michael Chinouya, and  Njabulo Ncube are names that are new to me



  • 2 Actually.
    Cric Info said it and JK also listed him at 5 in his team selection. based on that I was wondering if their had been some discussion about this from the team.

    Nah I jut copied it and tweaked the bowling as was referring to pitch conditions. Hadnt thought about the batsmen too much other than the guys being there just being there. I wouldnt pay too much attention to the batting order of the bowlers I listed either!



  • Well all these posts are proving the BCs shouldn't be satisfied with anything less than decisive victories.

    Pretty much unbackable at the TAB. Was about $1.12 or something when I looked last



  • Seeing No Quarter has mentioned Joe Root now averaging 56 in Tests ...
     
    Kane Williamson's current Test average = 49.23
     
    To have an average of 50 after this Test Kane needs:
     
    63 runs not dismissed
    113 runs once out
    163 runs twice out



  • 2 Actually.
    Cric Info said it and JK also listed him at 5 in his team selection. based on that I was wondering if their had been some discussion about this from the team.

    The quote on cricinfo is:

    Playing their first Test since McCullum's retirement, New Zealand will be led by Kane Williamson for the first time. Henry Nicholls will fill in at No.4, and is surrounded by a strong line-up. With several spin options in their squad, New Zealand could opt for two spinners and two quicks with Doug Bracewell as their all-round option.

    I think the person writing that thinks BMac batted at 4 so got mixed up about Nicholls spot. Makes no sense to drop Taylor down when 4 is where he's had all of his success.



  • Seeing No Quarter has mentioned Joe Root now averaging 56 in Tests ...
     
    Kane Williamson's current Test average = 49.23
     
    To have an average of 50 after this Test Kane needs:
     
    63 runs not dismissed
    113 runs once out
    163 runs twice out

    Wouldn't be a cricket thread without this discussion. What does Taylor need to do the same ?



  • I 'know' 7, at least 7 of them have played NZ before.



  • There's plenty of room on the Canes bandwagon mate, just a short flight to the capital for you. Everyone else is backing the Chiefs just for the hilarity factor of the Canes choking again.
     
    Agree with everything you say about the Caps. Anderson and Neesh being injured so often is bloody infuriating.

    Hey, no worries - I'm supporting the Canes on Saturday - I'd quite like to see Hammer's plans come to fruition. And besides....the real comedy is when you guys choke in the Final!  🙂



  • Guptill gets a lot of runs against weak attacks so it is somewhat sensible to pick him just because of that. However, I really think this was a chance to give Jeet Raval a proper opportunity.
     
    Also Neil Wagner has to be picked. I think he is our 2nd best test quick, after Boult.



  • Thank goodness for the cricket otherwise I'd be struggling for anything to watch now Super rugby is finished.
     
    Corey Anderson is injured, but is Neesham also not yet fit? Neither made the squad.
     
    I'd like to see one of those two able to step up and genuinely be able to bat at five.
     
    Guptill, Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Anderson, Watling, Santner, Sodhi, Bracewell, Southee, Boult could be bloody good. Six bowling options (seven with Kane) and seven genuine batsmen, plus Sodhi and Bracewell who can both hold a bat.
     
    Guppy needs to find his way as an opener, Anderson needs to be able to bat at five and BJ at six - and we still have Nicholls, Neesham, Craig, Wagner, Henry, McClenaghan and maybe even Milne in the wings (plus doubtless a couple of others near test standard).

    If Anderson is your 6th bowler, then his bowling is hardly going to matter. If Anderson is going to bat 5 then he has to basically be our 3rd best middle order batsman in the country. I don't think he is close to that.



  • Taylor has played 69 tests - 10 less than the entire Zimbo squad.



  • Wouldn't be a cricket thread without this discussion. What does Taylor need to do the same ?

    Bit more of a challenge for him, MN5, than for Kane.
     
    Ross's current average = 45.49
     
    To average 50 after this Test needs:
     
    518 runs not dismissed
    568 runs out once
    618 runs out twice



  • Sky has put it on Sky sports 3, which means as a Fanpass subscriber I can actually watch it. Thank fuck for that.
    Bit surprising really, most sport other than rugby is put on a pop up channel so we can't access it. Plums.



  • If Anderson is your 6th bowler, then his bowling is hardly going to matter. If Anderson is going to bat 5 then he has to basically be our 3rd best middle order batsman in the country. I don't think he is close to that.

    Good 4th seamer is often pretty handy though.
     
    I'd be surprised if he's too far away from being our best No. 5. His first class record is very similar to Nicholls, who seems to have the inside running at present.
     
    However, if we can find someone who can average 40+ as a specialist batsman at number 5, I'll take them every day of the week over a ~32 Anderson.



  • Good 4th seamer is often pretty handy though.
     
    I'd be surprised if he's too far away from being our best No. 5. His first class record is very similar to Nicholls, who seems to have the inside running at present.
     
    However, if we can find someone who can average 40+ as a specialist batsman at number 5, I'll take them every day of the week over a ~32 Anderson.

    I think on pitches where a 4th seamer is handy, a 2nd spinner wouldn't be. But yeah, there is no obvious case for number 5 but Will Young, Popli, Munro, Nicholls, Tome Bruce and maybe even Guptill are all options there.



  • Team as expected Latham, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, Nicholls, Santner, Watling, Sodhi, Southee, Wagner, Boult



  • We are bowling. Hope to see Boult and Southee get into their work. To my mind they were very disappointing in the last summer.



  • someone forgot to tell Zimbabwe the Flag referendum was unsuccessful, or maybe as they dont have them over there, they just figured it was a done deal?



  • Huge crowd in. So many that I can't list all their names.


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