Another World War imminent?



  • The eu prevented wars? FFs.
     
    We've been outsourcing our wars since ww2 and will probably continue to do so.

    i wouldn't say it has prevented wars, but closer trade relations and freedom of movement do lead to people from different countries knowing more about each other and consequently being less likely to be able to be convinced of 'us vs them'.



  • Never really thought about it like that - survival of the fittest... or luckiest, maybe...

    this is related to one of my pet hates nick, so imma have a wee rant.
     
    for humans, the fittest and best of us are not those with the strongest immune systems, but those with the best brains. the plague, and anything else like that, does not discriminate on that basis, so it is a disaster from an evolutionary point of view.
    the thing that shits me is that you occasionally hear people making the argument that treating diseases / health problems is making the human species weaker, which is totally specious. i think it's pretty clear that humanity would not be in better shape if einstein, newton, jenner, the curies, faraday, darwin, pasteur, tesla, edison, hawking et al had died as children from something like asthma.



  • this is related to one of my pet hates nick, so imma have a wee rant.
     
    for humans, the fittest and best of us are not those with the strongest immune systems, but those with the best brains. the plague, and anything else like that, does not discriminate on that basis, so it is a disaster from an evolutionary point of view.
    the thing that shits me is that you occasionally hear people making the argument that treating diseases / health problems is making the human species weaker, which is totally specious. i think it's pretty clear that humanity would not be in better shape if einstein, newton, jenner, the curies, faraday, darwin, pasteur, tesla, edison, hawking et al had died as children from something like asthma.

    Actually you make a good point - so I'lls ay "luckiest" in that case. Pandemics are shit. EDIT and non-discriminatory.



  • Fascinating article Nick, interesting how you can find cycles everywhere. One of my family works in venture capital stuff, his boss saw the last collapse coming and got their team to batten down the hatches ready. All his younger staff thought he was just being paranoid but within the year shit happened and they were cashed up and ready to capitalise



  • Fascinating article Nick, interesting how you can find cycles everywhere. One of my family works in venture capital stuff, his boss saw the last collapse coming and got their team to batten down the hatches ready. All his younger staff thought he was just being paranoid but within the year shit happened and they were cashed up and ready to capitalise

    Would be interesting to see what happens if one of those pieces doesn't fall into place e.g. Article 50 is executed byt then somehow withdrawn. Trump doesn't win - though that doesn't necessarily mean Clinton is any better... just less of a fucking cuntstack I supposed.
     
    I'm just sick of the fucking hatred and pigeon holing and bullshit. Stop being fluffybunnys and just start being good fluffybunnys.



  • I read the full piece on-line.  TBH it sounded a bit like Winger.  The guys what a philosophy professor or something? Can't remember but whatever his background has no relevance, so I was a bit bemused as to why it was published.
     
    To me it was pompous and a bit grasping at straws to try and prove his point(s).
     
    Canefan - I wonder how often your rellies boss battened down the hatches and nothing happened...



  • I'm just sick of the fucking hatred and pigeon holing and bullshit. Stop being fluffybunnys and just start being good fluffybunnys.

    A good step towards that goal then would be for people to stop attacking Trump supporters, Brexit supporters etc etc. It seems nowadays tolerance is preached but not actually actioned. Your article is a great example, the pomposity and self righteousness is incredibly confrontational, the whole article is just one long 'Fuck You' to anyone who does not agree with the political leanings of the author. In fact to use your words the article was pigeon holing and bullshit and the author being a fluffy bunny.
     
    And for the record, I think tolerance is a bit of a fools gold, the reality is that that you are not going to be very tolerant of people who treat you like shit, do things you dont like or who are just twats.



  • Canefan - I wonder how often your rellies boss battened down the hatches and nothing happened...

    Considering his investors are a who's who in NZ business circles I'd say he knows a bit about what he is doing



  • A good step towards that goal then would be for people to stop attacking Trump supporters, Brexit supporters etc etc. It seems nowadays tolerance is preached but not actually actioned. Your article is a great example, the pomposity and self righteousness is incredibly confrontational, the whole article is just one long 'Fuck You' to anyone who does not agree with the political leanings of the author. In fact to use your words the article was pigeon holing and bullshit and the author being a fluffy bunny.
     
    And for the record, I think tolerance is a bit of a fools gold, the reality is that that you are not going to be very tolerant of people who treat you like shit, do things you dont like or who are just twats.

    Sorry are you trying to preach tolerance?  I read your posts and most people who do not subscribe to your world view are "apologists" or your favourite "regressive leftie" or regressive liberal fluffybunnies



  • Holy shit balls....
     
    And I don't think anyone is an intellectual liberal that wants to avoid using logic and facts in a debate. In fact I would argue that the author is not an intellectual liberal at all, but a regressive leftie.



  • Sorry are you trying to preach tolerance?  I read your posts and most people who do not subscribe to your world view are "apologists" or your favourite "regressive leftie" or regressive liberal fluffybunnies

    Read my post again. The last sentence in particular might assist you.



  • Considering his investors are a who's who in NZ business circles I'd say he knows a bit about what he is doing

    Wasn't suggesting he doesn't but no one ever gets it right every time and for every story about someone with a premonition about getting off the doomed flight there's 100 embarrassed fools who didn't get away on their holiday



  • Holy shit balls....
     
    And I don't think anyone is an intellectual liberal that wants to avoid using logic and facts in a debate. In fact I would argue that the author is not an intellectual liberal at all, but a regressive lefti

    And I stand by that, saying that logic and facts should not be used in a debate of ideas is indicative....



  • Wasn't suggesting he doesn't but no one ever gets it right every time and for every story about someone with a premonition about getting off the doomed flight there's 100 embarrassed fools who didn't get away on their holiday

    And plenty of people predicted the last crash.. not a huge number.. but the next challenge was getting the actual timing right.



  • Wasn't suggesting he doesn't but no one ever gets it right every time and for every story about someone with a premonition about getting off the doomed flight there's 100 embarrassed fools who didn't get away on their holidayOh for sure. Experience just gives you the ability to potentially learn from more mistakes. But it doesn't stop you from making new ones 😉



  • A good step towards that goal then would be for people to stop attacking Trump supporters, Brexit supporters etc etc. It seems nowadays tolerance is preached but not actually actioned. Your article is a great example, the pomposity and self righteousness is incredibly confrontational, the whole article is just one long 'Fuck You' to anyone who does not agree with the political leanings of the author. In fact to use your words the article was pigeon holing and bullshit and the author being a fluffy bunny.
     
    And for the record, I think tolerance is a bit of a fools gold, the reality is that that you are not going to be very tolerant of people who treat you like shit, do things you dont like or who are just twats.

    You must be kidding right... I'm sure this was meant as a joke.
     
    This statement is so much like the Christian Fundies in the US who keep talking about a "war on christianity".
     
    You surely must see that the instigators of most of the attacks have been the Trump and Brexit supporters who saw the debate as an excuse to let lose all of their ignorance and prejudices. They see that behavior from Trump and the leaders of the Exit movement and they saw it is a mandate to let lose their own bile and venom.
     
    Then when people call them out on their bullshit, they act like the victim.



  • Was watching this a few nights ago. Also dam interesting...
     
     

    Putin is not a madman, he is a smart so-and-so, but his interests are in opposition to the US.  So it would make me nervous that he is keen for Trump to win the election



  • And I stand by that, saying that logic and facts should not be used in a debate of ideas is indicative....

    have you actually read it now then? because if so then you are not understanding that point. it is pretty clear from the context that that statement is saying that the rhetoric of people like trump - scaremongering, and generally not using facts or logic - isn't being defeated by the use of facts and logic. i.e. 'his' side needs to fight the same way.
     
    it's fine to disagree with the points in the article, there's lots i disagree with - but you're just taking a soundbite out of context to make a specious point.



  • You must be kidding right... I'm sure this was meant as a joke.
     
    This statement is so much like the Christian Fundies in the US who keep talking about a "war on christianity".
     
    You surely must see that the instigators of most of the attacks have been the Trump and Brexit supporters who saw the debate as an excuse to let lose all of their ignorance and prejudices. They see that behavior from Trump and the leaders of the Exit movement and they saw it is a mandate to let lose their own bile and venom.
     
    Then when people call them out on their bullshit, they act like the victim.

    Not at all. It is all a matter of perspective.  I think there is very little tolerance from any side nowadays. 
    You seriously think that there is tolerance towards people who support Trump? You just called them ignorant and prejudiced... people who loosed vile and venom... and who spoke bullshit. if that is what yuo think.. fair enough.. and your views are held by many others. But it is the very opposite of tolerance. And indeed those whom you attack probably see it as the prejudiced ignorance... bile and venom.. bullshit even. But of course you would deny that as you consider yourself correct. But so do they.



  • have you actually read it now then? because if so then you are not understanding that point. it is pretty clear from the context that that statement is saying that the rhetoric of people like trump - scaremongering, and generally not using facts or logic - isn't being defeated by the use of facts and logic. i.e. 'his' side needs to fight the same way.
     
    it's fine to disagree with the points in the article, there's lots i disagree with - but you're just taking a soundbite out of context to make a specious point.

    I have read it yes. And yes I understand the point thanks.  And I still think it is a slanted argument using slanted points of reference. Maybe facts and logic are not winning the argument because those facts and logic are not correct? And are in fact just ideology?
     
    But ok... you can think that the way to defeat bad ideas is to avoid facts and logic. 
     
    Scaremongering? Every side is scaremongering! have seen the comments by Clinton and her supporters about what would happen if Trump won?


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