Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)



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    Looks like Todd will be in 23 for Sydney.





  • Looks like Todd will be in 23 for Sydney.Did I miss something? Where does it say that Todd will feature next week?
    I can only assume Cane is still out, as that's the only way he'll get in.



  • Crikey poor old North Auckland on the wrong end of a hammering there.



  • North Auckland would never have taken that kind of hammering!



  • Crikey poor old North Auckland on the wrong end of a hammering there.Embarrassing score in a full game, let alone a bloody half.
    Something tells me it's gonne be another loooong season for us.



  • My read is that on concussion selectors take the safe option and Cane will be rested.



  • My read is that on concussion selectors take the safe option and Cane will be rested.Fair call.
    Even so, I wouldn't be so certain that Todd will automatically make the 23. If Ardie gets the start, they still have a pretty good impact player in Squire in the squad.



  • Yep cane under doubt. Saw Todd (and hames) at barkers this morning pick up his new all blacks suit



  • Moody out for Sydney. So Ofa or Hames to cover LH.



  • Fair call.Even so, I wouldn't be so certain that Todd will automatically make the 23. If Ardie gets the start, they still have a pretty good impact player in Squire in the squad.I wouldnt imagine them taking the risk of handing over a big advantage in mobility in Sydney , especially after what happened last year there



  • Who played midfield for the majority of the game??  - I am hoping it was Moala and Crotty.





  • The article suggest Moala over Fekitoa. I hope Barrett didn't play purely because of his workload and not that they still see Cruden as the starter.



  • The article suggest Moala over Fekitoa. I hope Barrett didn't play purely because of his workload and not that they still see Cruden as the starter.

    Workload and a slight hangover I would hope



  • One observation is that, given they are both on the small side, Cruden/Crotty, is asking a bit for trouble on D and doesn't have much bite on attack. Cruden has always been much more threatening with a big unit such as SBW at 12 outside him.
     
    So if selectors want Crotty at 12 it would make more sense to start with BB, or even Sopoaga, at 10. Then take your pick at 13.
     
    As an alternative, I'd quite like to see Cruden/Moala at some stage. Would argue for Crotty to start at 13, with Fekitoa/ALB on bench if game won.



  • The article suggest Moala over Fekitoa. I hope Barrett didn't play purely because of his workload and not that they still see Cruden as the starter.

    All Canes were held out on Friday - except for Julian Savea who obviously needed the run.



  • Sheesh all this talk of injured players, who played midfield, when the biggest news was

    Cruden kicked six from seven, before handing the tee to Dagg, who slotted two from three in the 73-0 rout.

    Closer and closer to that 10 jersey he goes 🙂



  • I think they'll go horses for courses with Cruden and Barrett. Both will start games. Question being if Cruds is not starting, does he make the 23? Probably not...



  • I think they'll go horses for courses with Cruden and Barrett. Both will start games. Question being if Cruds is not starting, does he make the 23? Probably not...
    Yeah could well be. Cruden seems to step up against Aus, Barrett against SA.



  • I think they'll go horses for courses with Cruden and Barrett. Both will start games. Question being if Cruds is not starting, does he make the 23? Probably not...

    gotta say i really hope not. can't stand chopping and changing 10s, they've got too much influence on how the game is played - even more so with a rookie midfield.



  • Sheesh all this talk of injured players, who played midfield, when the biggest news was
     
     
    Closer and closer to that 10 jersey he goes 🙂



  • I think they'll go horses for courses with Cruden and Barrett. Both will start games. Question being if Cruds is not starting, does he make the 23? Probably not...

    He kind of has to. You need 2 x 10s in the 23. Lima only plays 10 so one of them must make the 23.
    Barrett covers fullback and potentially wing regardless of whete he starts. Hence I can see Barrett on the bench to provide both cover and impact. Heresy I know!! But it's probably a better distribution of resources.
    Unless they use Dmac - who isn't in the squad.



  • Have renamed the thread as we're veering on to potential selections for Saturday so may as well keep it all here.
    When IS the team named?





  • Hang on if Dagg is taking shots at goal does that mean they might see him starting with Cruden to cover if Cruden is having an off night with the boot? Didn't Dagg have an awesome season with the boot for the highlanders one year? I was surprised he stopped doing it.



  • Hang on if Dagg is taking shots at goal does that mean they might see him starting with Cruden to cover if Cruden is having an off night with the boot? Didn't Dagg have an awesome season with the boot for the highlanders one year? I was surprised he stopped doing it.

    Has Dagg got more range than Cruden? A few other teams have a guy with a huge boot keep his hand in just in case they need to hoof one from the halfway. Wasn't so much an issue with Carter as he had big range, but not sure re Cruden out past the 40...



  • Starter and back-ups
     
    9 -    Aaron Smith, TJP, Ben Smith
    10 -  Barrett,  Dagg (reserve goal kicker),  Ben Smith
    11 -  Naholo, Moala, Ben Smith
    12 -  Crotty, Moala, Ben Smith
    13 -  Moala, Crotty, Ben Smith
    14 -  Ben Smith, Naholo, Moala, Ben Smith
    15 -  Dagg, Ben Smith, Barrett.
     
    Only one back reserve needed (TJP)



  • Crotty also covers left wing and I reckon Aaron Smith or Perenara could play fullback. So just switch Dagg out for Perenara, I'm sure B Smith can kick for goal.



  • Yeah could well be. Cruden seems to step up against Aus, Barrett against SA.

    How can you make that statement when I can't remember Barrett starting against Australia and even if he has not enough to establish a track record or being good or bad.



  • How can you make that statement when I can't remember Barrett starting against Australia and even if he has not enough to establish a track record or being good or bad.

    He was first five in the Brisbane Bledisloe a few years back where Fekitoa scored in the last minute.
     
    I kind of get where Bones is going though - Barrett's best rugby has come against the Boks and his style seems to give them more issues, with the caveat it has mainly come both off the bench and at fullback.
     
    Still think we should go with Cruden at 10, Barrett at 15 and Smith at 14 at least for the first couple of tests.



  • How can you make that statement when I can't remember Barrett starting against Australia and even if he has not enough to establish a track record or being good or bad.

    I can make that statement by saying the word "seems" as a qualifier and having memories of Barrett causing all sorts of mayhem against SA teams, whilst not a huge amount against Aus. I never said Barrett is good or bad against them.



  • I don't really buy they've played enough against different teams, though part of the reason could be the defensive patterns the 2 teams play, ie umbrella v rush v push & so on.
     
    Barrett has tended to cause chaos v the Boks mostly because he has come off the bench after the ABs have run them all over the park, I think its more about extreme pace v not great fitness than it is about him being particularly suiited.



  • Sacrilege to say but my interest in this game is middling with the Olympics on. Will probably be a replay I watch.
    My interest for the next game will increase if NZ lose though...



  • Sacrilege to say but my interest in this game is middling with the Olympics on. Will probably be a replay I watch.
    My interest for the next game will increase if NZ lose though...

    The opportunity to put Australia on a 6 game losing streak over the next two weeks must be a tasty one for many of the players and coaching staff - especially after the way they were talked up heading into the final last year. South Africa would then play them in Brisbane to equal their professional era record of 7 on the trot from 2005.
     
    Also knocking Aussie off in Aussie becomes less voluntary than it has been in previous years after England did it three times on the trot. The trolls will be out in force if we drop this fixture. Huge game and first high stakes game since the RWC - can't wait.



  • It has to be said though , it is a fixture we have struggled with in recent times, 
     
    Last 2 games is a loss and a draw , and even when we  win we haven't looked great for a while , 
     
    Aussies tend to front for this one more than any other , 
     
    Without looking up stats , I would say it is up there with  Ellis Park for difficulty but doesnt get the same build up



  • My interest will definitely be higher if BB starts



  • The Wallabies have been in camp for a month leading into this fixture. If they can't win this against an injury-ravaged team that contested the Super Rugby finals, they won't win anything.



  • Sacrilege to say but my interest in this game is middling with the Olympics on. Will probably be a replay I watch.
    My interest for the next game will increase if NZ lose though...

    I'm with you mate. The only reason i remember it's on is this thread. Between the Olympics, and club semi this weekend, i would be surprised if i watched the whole game. 
     
    Still, be nice to win



  • The Wallabies have been in camp for a month leading into this fixture. If they can't win this against an injury-ravaged team that contested the Super Rugby finals, they won't win anything.

    I honestly prefer the ABs lead up - Coles is one of only two starters in the AB side to play last weekend and he rested the semi final and Savea hardly has been overworked. They've had adequate time with the Blues, Highlanders, Crusaders and Chiefs players, I'd much rather the young guys from those last three franchises coming in brimming with confidence from a great season where they won a finals game - while hardly being overworked since the June international window opened.
     
    Given the huge rest gap after RWC I'm guessing guys like Whitelock, Read and Rettalick are in the best nick they have been since 2012.
     
    The centre combo is a huge worry and if the Aussies can't come up with a plan to attack it I have serious questions about the team they have in the box.
     
    Another huge wildcard for me is going to be discipline. We saw at least 4 incidents in the RWC final by Wallabies forwards that would have been yellow card offenses in any other test - they usually come out full of piss and vinegar for the first Bledisloe and Cheika will likely do little to dampen that - so making sure that aggression is channeled correctly will be important.


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