Will anyone overtake Richie #148



  • Of the players listed as active on the following Wikipedia link - who do we think might overtake Richie?
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rugby_union_Test_caps_leaders
     
    148. Richie McCaw
    131* Gethin Jenkins Debut 2002, Prop
    119* Martin Castrogiovannia Debut 2002, Prop
    119* Sergio Parisse Debut 2002, No. 8
    117* Bryan Habana Debut 2004, Whinger
    114* Adam Ashley-Cooper Debut 2005, Another Whinger
    108* Alun Wyn Jones Debut 2005, Lock
     
    Stephen Moore is on 105, Matt Giteau 102.
     
    Kieran Read is on 87, debuting between 3-6 years after that above list.
    Owen Franks on 80
    Sam Whitelock on 75
    Kaino on 69
    Ben Smith, Dagg, Aaron Smith, Retallick  on ~50



  • Michael Hooper is a shot I reckon - 54 games at 24 years old.



  • Yes, in roughly 25 years time, the fusion of Richie's spermatozoon and Gemma's ovum will pull on the black jersey for the first of 150 AB appearances.



  • It'll be some currently 20 year old northern hemisphere prop.
     
    Tho of the ones above Sergio Parisse has a good chance, 32 years old, so he will be aiming for next WC. With the 6N & tours he gets 10-12 tests a year
     
    So 119 now + 3 x 10 & a WC year & its 150+ easily. Plus he is utterly uncontested for his spot.
     
    The Aussies will struggle as they go off-shore so misss the easy tests (EG Gitau skipped the Pom games) and the 365 day season cripples them. Kiwis will struggle as the competition gets intense - a year ago Savea was on track for 70 test tries, now he'll struggle to make the EOYT if NMS comes back, DMac plays well in the ITM & Nahalo can go 2 games without dropping every single ball.



  • Yes, in roughly 25 years time, the fusion of Richie's spermatozoon and Gemma's ovum will pull on the black jersey for the first of 150 AB appearances.

    DC's kids as well.
     
    It's a pity that Richie didn't hook up with Kaino's sister (if he has one), imagine how awesome that kid would be! Might even be a better rugby player than Michael Jones. 😉



  • George Whitelock and Kayla Whitelock too. Guess we can see in time the success of the All Black/Black Stick breeding programme.



  • Whitelock the only real NZ possibility, but difficult to believe a lock could stay healthy enough for long enough to do it. If he does though locks are the hardest to breed of anyone so he won't be forced out as quickly as other positions.



  • Yes, in roughly 25 years time, the fusion of Richie's spermatozoon and Gemma's ovum will pull on the black jersey for the first of 150 AB appearances.

    That is without doubt the most disgusting thing I have read since the internet was invented. Disgusting!

    DC's kids as well.
     
    It's a pity that Richie didn't hook up with Kaino's sister (if he has one), imagine how awesome that kid would be! Might even be a better rugby player than Michael Jones. 😉

    Youse blokes are a disgrace ... a dis-bloody-grace I say!



  • George Whitelock and Kayla Whitelock too. Guess we can see in time the success of the All Black/Black Stick breeding programme.

    I've snuck back in to review just how thoroughly appawwlling those other blokes here have been, to discover that George (who I have enjoyed watching in the ITM Cup and at the Crusaders) has done alright for himself getting so close to the big prize and then winning the lottery.
     
    Maybe there was a carefully hidden secret plan behind establishment of the Whitelock stable. :good:



  • George North was considered a good chance but is probably injured too much to have a real chance now.



  • George North was considered a good chance but is probably injured too much to have a real chance now.

    At some stage he'll fall foul of the "not playing in Wales" law too.



  • DC's kids as well.
     
    It's a pity that Richie didn't hook up with Kaino's sister (if he has one), imagine how awesome that kid would be! Might even be a better rugby player than Michael Jones. 😉

    Richie and Valerie!



  • Parisse most likely I'd say.
     
    Jenkins is 35 and seems to have plenty left in the tank but not sure he can stick around long enough to get there.



  • Gethin Jenkins will break it I think. Sam Whitelock might break the NZ record. Maro Itoye is only 21 and looks like he will be in the England side barring injury for a loooooooooooooooong time. So McCaw's 148 tests will be beaten at some point.
     
    The GOAT's 131 Test wins is an even more impressive record and will stand for longer.



  • Richie and Valerie!

    I thnk Lisa Carrington needs to be top of the NZ female genetics list now.



  • I thnk Lisa Carrington needs to be top of the NZ female genetics list now.

    Pair up Ben from Accounts with Lisa to give us ample fullback/wing cover.



  • I thnk Lisa Carrington needs to be top of the NZ female genetics list now.

    Laura Langman too. Heard a stat the other day that suggested she had only missed two or three quarters throughout the entire history of the ANZ Championship. She has legendary fitness and never seems to get injured. Amazing considering the effort she always puts in.



  • Owen Frank's will beat Richie. And without a try.



  • It is interesting in New Zealand because competition for positions probably limits some guys, moreso than injuries I reckon.
     
    You look at our top cap winners - Gregan (139), AAC (116), Sharpe (116) and they didn't have many real peers. If George Smith (111) had stayed onshore, he might have amassed another 40 since 2013.



  • It is interesting in New Zealand because competition for positions probably limits some guys, moreso than injuries I reckon.
     
    You look at our top cap winners - Gregan (139), AAC (116), Sharpe (116) and they didn't have many real peers. If George Smith (111) had stayed onshore, he might have amassed another 40 since 2013.

    and prior to 2011, leaving NZ.
     
    Al our centurions have been since 2011.



  • and prior to 2011, leaving NZ.
    Al our centurions have been since 2011.

    Fizzy undoubtedly would have been with the same tour program these guys had. Everyone except Richie wouldn't be if they played most of their career as an amateur. Fitzy also misses those 1987 Japanese games which were for all intents and purposes tests (on the other side he has those goofy World XV tests so it balances).
    Ian Jones might have tickled it too if northern tours were more common at the beginning of his career and the domestic test season was elongated. He was pretty durable.



  • No tactical subs until 1996 either so players needed to start to gain a cap unless there was an injury.  Some of our centurions were introduced to test rugby from the bench before becoming regular starters.



  • Another thing that's pretty impressive about McCaw's record is that he would have started the overwhelming majority of those 148 games. Not too many 15 minute cameos when the opposition have already been flogged.



  • Another thing that's pretty impressive about McCaw's record is that he would have started the overwhelming majority of those 148 games. Not too many 15 minute cameos when the opposition have already been flogged.

    Started 141 tests. Phenomenal record really



  • How many games did he miss when having his concussion issues?



  • How many games did he miss when having his concussion issues?

    2004 tri nations I think.
    Otherwise he did pretty well to avoid serious injury during test season.



  • How many games did he miss when having his concussion issues?

    All up we played 185 tests during his career. So he missed 37 in total.
     
    Six in 2004. One English game, four during the Tri Nations and then the one off PI test. The other English test and Argie test he came off the bench which gave him a year between starts after the RWC.
     
    He missed four on the Cantablacks tour and three on sabbatical in 2013. The rest of them are generally games where he was rested like RWC minnow games, tests against predominantly against PI teams at home, the Scotland/Italy game on an EOYT or the odd RWC lead up test.
     
    Other than the headknock I can't find any other games he missed purely due to injury other than the first 2008 Bledisloe and loss in Hamilton to the Boks. I'm sure there are others but I can't see them on list and the 2011 RWC he would missed if it were just an EOYT.



  • All up we played 185 tests during his career. So he missed 37 in total.

    This is why we Fern.  Genuine statistical information, presented effectively.  Well done, sir.



  • So...who's going to "Chasing Great"?
     
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/83737870/richie-mccaw-nervous-ahead-of-chasing-great-premiere
     
    Other notables at the premiere included All Blacks coach Steve Hansen, and Real Housewives of Auckland stars Gilda Kirkpatrick and Angela Stone.

    I expect that last bit was written specially for Mokey!  🙂



  • So...who's going to "Chasing Great"?
     
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/83737870/richie-mccaw-nervous-ahead-of-chasing-great-premiere
     
     
    I expect that last bit was written specially for Mokey!   🙂

    I had to turn down tickets to the premiere last night. Gutted I missed the opportunity to meet those two superstars...



  • I reckon his test wins as Captain wont be broken until something amazing happens.



  • All up we played 185 tests during his career. So he missed 37 in total.
     
    Six in 2004. One English game, four during the Tri Nations and then the one off PI test. The other English test and Argie test he came off the bench which gave him a year between starts after the RWC.
     
    He missed four on the Cantablacks tour and three on sabbatical in 2013. The rest of them are generally games where he was rested like RWC minnow games, tests against predominantly against PI teams at home, the Scotland/Italy game on an EOYT or the odd RWC lead up test.
     
    Other than the headknock I can't find any other games he missed purely due to injury other than the first 2008 Bledisloe and loss in Hamilton to the Boks. I'm sure there are others but I can't see them on list and the 2011 RWC he would missed if it were just an EOYT.

    Interestingly I recall and article by someone who shall remain nameless, but his name rhymes with Twattue, saying he should retire when he was experiencing his issues with head knocks, saying NZ needed to move on from him. As you can imagine, the tome was not about his wellbeing, was just an opportunity to have a kick at the NZRU and how they do things.



  • I reckon his test wins as Captain wont be broken until something amazing happens.

    Until everyone but Australia and NZ quit rugby? 🙂



  • Until everyone but Australia and NZ quit rugby? 🙂

    Or we can double the amount of tests we play against Australia every year
    6 tests a year vs Cheika and Moore should see Read fly past McCaws record in no time.



  • So...who's going to "Chasing Great"?
     
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/83737870/richie-mccaw-nervous-ahead-of-chasing-great-premiere
     
     
    I expect that last bit was written specially for Mokey!   🙂

    Hilary Barry couldn't make it ???????



  • 2004 tri nations I think.
    Otherwise he did pretty well to avoid serious injury during test season.

    didn't he miss an entire NH tour around then?
     
    I remember Marty started against the frogs (the game where he smashed a frenchman with both arms at the same time) and Wales.. and Dan Braid was backup 7...
     
    can't remember if Ritchie was even there though, that period of my life is getting a bit foggy! All I remember is walking for about 3 hrs after leaving the pub next to stade de france and not being able to find any friggin transport to town.
     
    And Maa being at the The Church in his eye shadow.  Seriously wtf was that guy thinking. but i digress.



  • didn't he miss an entire NH tour around then?
     
    I remember Marty started against the frogs (the game where he smashed a frenchman with both arms at the same time) and Wales.. and Dan Braid was backup 7...
     
    can't remember if Ritchie was even there though, that period of my life is getting a bit foggy! All I remember is walking for about 3 hrs after leaving the pub next to stade de france and not being able to find any friggin transport to town.
     
    And Maa being at the The Church in his eye shadow.  Seriously wtf was that guy thinking. but i digress.

    Can only imagine the conversations he woulda had with Gavin Henson about looking one's best when representing ones country in international rugby.



  • didn't he miss an entire NH tour around then?
    I remember Marty started against the frogs (the game where he smashed a frenchman with both arms at the same time) and Wales.. and Dan Braid was backup 7...
    can't remember if Ritchie was even there though, that period of my life is getting a bit foggy! All I remember is walking for about 3 hrs after leaving the pub next to stade de france and not being able to find any friggin transport to town.
    And Maa being at the The Church in his eye shadow. Seriously wtf was that guy thinking. but i digress.
    Rested! Along with all of the other cantabs bar a couple.
    One of the purported reasons behind the selection was that England at the time had a pretty advanced tracking system setup at Twickenham that they used to micro analyse their opponents. And by selecting a B team Mitchell would prevent England from this analysis. Didn't work of course.



  • would have if Ben Blair coulda stopped Ben Cohen!



  • would have if Ben Blair coulda stopped Ben Cohen!

    Oh I mean ultimately it didn't make a difference because they would still beat us the next year and then go on to win the world cup as well.


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