New Ruck Laws Rant



  • After watching tonights game between Otago and Wellington I couldnt help think that guys like Richie McCaw would be spewing at the sight of not being able to snaffle the ball at ruck time. Would Richie have the legacy he has today if the game was played under the new laws 15 years ago?? Surely not as his biggest asset was stealing the ball and being a pest at the tackle. I felt like I was watching a game of league more than Union where it blatently favoured the more mobile team. Please Please Please dont go down this track. Its too messy, most players dont have a clue whats going on by the looks and it hasn't prevented concussions occuring.
    Also stop diluting our NPC by using it as a trial and error competition. No wonder all 14 provincial teams are at a loss. Fans are so disengaged from this level of rugby and I blame the administrators for that.
    I hope this aint the end of provincial rugby but if we keep pissing around with it then the interest in the most important level will die and to be quite frank I wouldnt be suprised.
    I can see the future being Super Rugby/ Super Rugby 20s instead of Provincial but I hope we stay with the traditional provincial setup.
    Anyway well played Otago you kicked our ass tonight and were by far the better team. That I can take! What I find hard to watch is the flying boots and toe pokes disrupting fast ball instead of a sublime player like McCaw using his frame to steal the ball from the opposition.
    Rant over.



  • Allowing the defending team to fly hack the ball at the ruck is a far bigger blight on the game IMHO



  • What were they trying to achieve with these rules. Leave them alone for christ sake. We finally get used to the rules and then they change them again, its getting old.



  • all they needed to do was stop people diving into the ruck under the current laws.  plane taking off, not landing at ruck time.  You see it time and time and time again, and it's leaving your feet.  Watch the test this weekend - every ruck will have a landing, and it should be a penaltyl.  Just rule on the current laws fo the game correctly!



  • What has got me confused is the fact that penalties for coming in the side seem to have gone through the roof, at least in the couple of games i have seen.
    Most of them seem to be for guys coming in the side behind the midpoint of the breakdown (which is a bigger grey area than the 'gate') from an onside position.
    I think the refs might be struggling with the new laws just as much as the players, can't be easy to adjust split second decision making after having it a certain way for so long.
     
    Still think the biggest area needing a rethink, ie. the maul, has been ignored. There is no contest for possession, it is legal obstruction and you can't tackle the ball carrier to the ground. How does that fit with the rest of the game?
    Not to mention the fact that any collapse of the maul is likely to result in a penalty against the defending team, particularly in the 22, yet attacking teams can collapse a maul to prevent a player being held up or to score a try.



  • Mauls. Make 2 people needed at the back bound together and to the maul. Not holding on by one hand. Make them bind properly. And the rest well flip a coin when it falls over!!!



  • Mauls. Make 2 people needed at the back bound together and to the maul. Not holding on by one hand. Make them bind properly. And the rest well flip a coin when it falls over!!!

    Someone said it in this thread already
     
    BartMan: Just rule on the current laws fo the game correctly!



  • Allowing the defending team to fly hack the ball at the ruck is a far bigger blight on the game IMHO

    This is happening under the new rules, or is that what you are referring to?



  • I missed the memo.  What are these new rules and is there a link somewhere?



  • I missed the memo.  What are these new rules and is there a link somewhere?

    He means the law trials being held in the Mitre 10 Cup at the moment. There is already topic on it; not sure why a new one has been started.
     
    http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/42240-new-mitre-10-cup-laws/



  • It's a bloody shambles IMO ....like others have said ...just apply the current rules properly.
    E.g. how often were ABs taken out of the game beyond the ruck last weekend?



  • Yep. Ruck's just look stupid now - it's just turned in to the defending team trying to kick it before the attacking team pick it up. FUBAR.



  • What pisses me off (apart from the hacks at the ball from all angles), is the defending players walking over the tackled player, taking up the space on the wrong side of the ruck, all before the tackled player has had a chance to release the ball.
    Effectively the tackled player is being forced to place the ball under the oppositions feet.
    Man up NZRU, admit your mistake and pull these stupid bloody rules now before any more rugby is ruined!



  • This is happening under the new rules, or is that what you are referring to?

    Happening under old (existing) and new (trialed) laws.
     
    Add in players off their feet and the ruck area is a mess.



  • Happening under old (existing) and new (trialed) laws.
     
    Add in players off their feet and the ruck area is a mess.

    Nah, different mess now, worse so far...



  • Yeah it really has taken the contest out of the ruck - and rugby is all about contest of possession - so it takes a key component out of the game - it's too easy to maintain possession with these new rules. Also agree that not a real big fan of using Mitre 10 Cup to be a guinea pig for these new laws - it's not like this is a subtle tweak to a rule or something (e.g. 5 metres back when defending a scrum rather than at number 8 feet) - it changes the whole complexion of the game.


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