All Blacks vs Pumas I



  • Possible changes to the team?
     
    This is usually the best chance to give guys opportunities (although some might argue last night was). 
    Thankfully no injuries and we might even get guys back.
     
    If Franks gets a ban then I wonder if they will bring anyone else in. Not a lot of THP cover around.
    Maybe Atu Moli or Ben May?



  • Give faimuiaina, tuipolotou and Dixon starts.
    Sopoaga to the bench. Pray we have 3 fit midfielders. Naholo back if fit.
    If daring McKenzie or Ioane on the bench.



  • When's the team named?



  • Update on Moala?



  • Owen Franks won't be playing. Gone for the season I reckon with an eye gouge.



  • From what little footage there is it doesn't look good for Owen. If not an eye gouge, certainly a deliberate and sustained playing of the head of an opponent which World Rugby take a dim view of.



  • I think I'm a rotten human being because when I saw the Franks incident I thought, "Eh, we've got cover for that."



  • Owen Franks won't be playing. Gone for the season I reckon with an eye gouge.

    I'd say so. There's no excuse for that.



  • I'd say so. There's no excuse for that.

    Don't reckon it was an eye-gouge, but it was a rubbish facial and it was dumb and he'll go for a few weeks (whats the minimum for an eye-gouge?)
     
    For all the niggly shit the Wobblies pulled, this from Franks, and Dane Coles clear intent to smash his fore-arm into (insert player here) that luckily became a clumsy clean-out, it showed they managed to frustrate some of AB's into a reaction, that frustration probably stemmed from the Ref doing nothing about the niggle, it had to have been clear to the AB's thats all the Wobblies had, and frustration from the AB's with themselves, as the game struggled to reach any great heights - and for all the BS, the AB's should've probably put a few more points on the board.
     
    It was one of those games where the AB's had it in the bag from the 5th minute, like where you know you're the superior side, you've just got to stick with what you're doing for the 80min and you'll win, but you got to put up with the opposition being dicks. Mostly we got there.



  • Frank's has gotten dirtier and dirtier in the last 4 years.
    On topic id just play the same team. Maybe give Ardie a start but other than that this Argie team deserves a full strength ABS team. We could probably beat them ringing the changes but id rather not fuck about too much.
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  • Don't reckon it was an eye-gouge, but it was a rubbish facial and it was dumb.
    For all the niggly shit the Wobblies pulled, this from Franks, and Dane Coles clear intent to smash his fore-arm into (insert player here) that luckily became a clumsy clean-out, it showed they managed to frustrate some of AB's into a reaction, that frustration probably stemmed from the Ref doing nothing about the niggle, it had to have been clear to the AB's thats all the Wobblies had, and frustration from the AB's with themselves, as the game struggled to reach any great heights - and for all the BS, the AB's should've probably put a few more points on the board.
    It was one of those games where the AB's had it in the bag from the 5th minute, like where you know you're the superior side, you've just got to stick with what you're doing for the 80min and you'll win, but you got to put up with the opposition being dicks. Mostly we got there.
    Nah I reckon it was. Short and sweet.
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  • All the talk of rotation is jumping the shark and getting a bit too ahead of ourselves. The Argies are a better team than the Welsh and there wasn't exactly much rotation even in the third June test, so I doubt we'll see much of anything here either.
     
    Franks will definitely be gone though.



  • Frank's has gotten dirtier and dirtier in the last 4 years.
    On topic id just play the same team. Maybe give Ardie a start but other than that this Ardie team deserves a full strength ABS team. We could probably beat them ringing the changes but id rather not fuck about too much.
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    I'd like to see ALB keep his place in the team, reminded me of Kahui, thought he combined really well with Barrett considering they probably only met for the first time last week. Will Crotty get back though?
    Franks will be gone, so need a new prop. 
     
    I think we'll bring in another lock, which means losing a loosie from the bench - I would've mind Squire or E.Dixon be given a start for Kaino (save him for SA) - but Kaino's in such good form so thats not going to happen. Definitely can't keep smashing Whitelock & Retallick all game, every game.
     
    It would be good to give Sopoaga the bench spot, I wonder if Cruden's struggles there are the combo with TJP - i thought he'd have combined better with ALB for the time he was on, than he did, but also it seemed Beauden still got most of the better pill so may have just been the way the game went. Basically Cruden looks a million bucks, when he was SBW outside him.
     
    In the backs, Dagg was good on the wing, his propensity to be a hungus and go for it is better suited there than at FB. Julian Savea wasn't classic Julian, but nor was he useless Julian - once he got that ball on the 22, I knew he was good for that try. Fekitoa was pretty good. Tamanivula did a couple of good things.
     
    SO overall not much to change eh?
     
    Moody
    Coles
    Faumuina
    Retallick
    Whitelock
    Kaino
    Cane
    Read
    A.Smith
    Beauden
    J.Savea
    ALB
    Fekitoa
    Dagg
    B.Smith
    Res:
    Parsons
    Crockett
    A.Prop
    Tuipolutu
    A.Savea
    TJ
    Sopoaga
    Tamanivula



  • So I take it Ofa Tu'ungafasi will definitely be in with Franks likely to be suspended? Hmmm...



  • No citing for Franks:
     
    Geez, what do the Franks boys have on SANZAAR? Not the first time they've gotten away with murder.



  • Frank's has gotten dirtier and dirtier in the last 4 years.
    On topic id just play the same team. Maybe give Ardie a start but other than that this Argie team deserves a full strength ABS team. We could probably beat them ringing the changes but id rather not fuck about too much.
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    Yep. These guys aren't easy-beats anymore. I reckon we have to have a side at least 80% full strength or there could be problems.



  • @Unco said in All Blacks vs Pumas I:

    No citing for Franks:
     
    Geez, what do the Franks boys have on SANZAAR? Not the first time they've gotten away with murder.

    It would be great if there was an explanation for the non-citing. Such as the citing commissioner spoke to Kane and the ref as well as reviewing other footage.



  • Yeah, we're still trying to bed in a relatively new set of starting inside backs (10, 12, 13), and openside. I'd just be grateful we've been able to do that so effectively, but not tempt fate by messing further... just give it even more time to keep rolling. I'd consider some bench experimentation though.



  • http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/83636109/all-blacks-prop-owen-franks-under-scrutiny-from-wallabies-for-incident
     
    However, competition governing body Sanzaar has apparently said there will be no citings from the match, with no incidents referred by either team.
     
    Curious.



  • No citing for Franks: Geez, what do the Franks boys have on SANZAAR? Not the first time they've gotten away with murder.

    Is that the only footage of it? Big difference between a facial and eye gouging. Im sure the reaction from the wallabies player would have been very different if it was an eye gouge and as far as i can remember there was no allegation at the time.



  • maybe Chieka doesnt know the difference between moaning to the media about something and actually making a formal complaint?
     
    Dont they have 24 hours to cite someone anyway?



  • So I take it Ofa Tu'ungafasi will definitely be in with Franks likely to be suspended? Hmmm...

    The Argies have a decent scrum so I hope not.



  • Hang on, let's wait till Brian Moore sees the game till we assume Franks is available .
    Did I mention I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien McKenzie , Joe Moody and Liam Swuire yesterday?



  • No citing for Franks:
     
    Geez, what do the Franks boys have on SANZAAR? Not the first time they've gotten away with murder.

    Well if the Aussies did not report Franks there must not have been an eye gouge despite it looking bad.



  • Other than the potential return of one or two injured players, I'd prefer them to give the bench players more of a run - a full half, provided the score line warrants it - than to make changes to the starting lineup.



  • Any chance they didn't report so as to give the ABs a better chance to beat Boks and Pumas and therefore increase Aussies chances of sneaking 2nd..or 3rd



  • The Argies have a decent scrum so I hope not.
    Based on the scrum I saw this morning from the Bokke, better the Argies than South Africa.



  • Did I mention I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien McKenzie , Joe Moody and Liam Swuire yesterday?Was there a post where you didn't?



  • http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/83636109/all-blacks-prop-owen-franks-under-scrutiny-from-wallabies-for-incident
     
     
    Curious.

    I didn't think teams were referring incidents any more? That it was purely up to an independent reviewer.



  • Well if the Aussies did not report Franks there must not have been an eye gouge despite it looking bad.
    This angle clears it up
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  • Was there a post where you didn't?

    Not yet.



  • Not yet.

    Not yet.....was what you said whilst at breakfast with Kaino, blah blah



  • Not yet.

    Don't think anyone has asked but how was breakfast with Kaino, Moody, Squire and whoever else?



  • Don't think anyone has asked but how was breakfast with Kaino, Moody, Squire and whoever else?

    MacKenzie . It was great thanks.



  • Don't think anyone has asked but how was breakfast with Kaino, Moody, Squire and whoever else?

    I was reading somewhere else that Swuire was involved?



  • I was reading somewhere else that Swuire was involved?

    Now you're just being silly. Some people just don't know when they've taken a joke too far and it starts to annoy others.



  • Right you are

    Did I mention I had breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Damien McKenzie , Joe Moody and Liam Swuire yesterday?



  • Right you are

    Thats what his mates call him, you'd know that if you had breakfast with him.



  • The Argies won't be easy meat. They should have won more comfortably against the Boks if the referees had not let Mohoje go headhunting without a single warning. Jaco Kriel should have been yellowed as well for tackling a support player without the ball with the tryline beckoning (it could have been a penalty try as well).Du Toit has also strangled a Puma lock in a dangerous situation for his team.However, these Pumas are inferior to those who played the World Cup. They have lost Fernandez Lobbe, an intelligent and skilled player, worldclass loosehead prop Ayerza (and solid tighthead prop Figuello), worldclass winger Imhoff and the excellent Bosch.Those men make a big difference. Is Senatore still suspended ?



  • Hmmmmm... well the TAB are offering odds on winning TRC as follows:
     
    ABs  $1.01
    SA $15.00
    Argies $51.00
    Oz $81.00


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