@chimoaus said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The question is, can we have year on year growth and not fuck over the planet for future generations. If we have 2-3% growth in GDP and population every year the demand for stuff will continue to rise, where do all of these resources come from and where do all these people go.
Yes of course we can. We have unlimited resources.
GDP IMO is a poor barometer on the well being of humans and the environment. What metric do you use to judge how well a society is doing? Who has the biggest house? who has the most iphones per capita? who consumes the most resources and produces the most stuff?
How about how many people are starving to death, how many are dying by diseases etc etc . And these are directly related to GDP, so actually GDP is a fucking amazing indicator.
The US has the biggest economy in the world and has had unbelievable growth and wealth yet inequality is out of control, the treatment of the poor and those in poverty is shocking. Not sure 2% growth is helping them very much.
yes and which states have the worst issues with homelessness, extreme poverty and deprivation? Ones that have ignored economic growth indicators and have instead embraced social justice and a Green agenda.
We are already the wealthiest generation in terms of "Money", "Assests" than any other other period in history. Does this make us happy? Not by figures showing depression, anxiety and suicide climbing.
But what make you happy? Being grateful, and the current generations are the most ungrateful spoilt shits in the history of the world. We have the best opportunities, lifestyle and lifespan that ever existed and we bitch and complain about everything.
And that doesnt even touch on the mass hysteria and depression caused by the death cultists in the climate change extinction movement, FFS you have people not having kids because they think the future is sooo bad. Morons.. but Darwin effect in full roar.
We have enough wealth, what we need to do is redistribute that and focus on the well being of every species on the planet.
I am not even sure what that means. You are saying the current wealth is enough? We should stop growing? the current haves should just keep? It should all be redistributed? (that has NEVER worked anywhere EVER btw)
Why do we need to focus on every species?
I just think the capitalist system has driven us to over-consumption and placed our focus too heavily on money, assets and stuff. This is often at the expense of social connections to other people, family, creative pursuits etc.
Capitalism hasnt done that, humans have always been greedy because they care about them and theres. Being greedy has led to the great advances you enjoy today. Would you like to point out to any time in history, under any system of govt, where basically every human on the planet hasnt focused on assets, money and stuff? This facile attack on Capitalism is just silly, what you should be attacking is cronyism and elitism, and that is nothing specific to Capitalism and is more linked to big govt.
Why do we need to work 40-50 hours a week for 47 years so we can then spend time with family and do what we want. Why can we not work less now and spend time with those that matter and do things we enjoy. The answer is we believe we need "Stuff" to be happy and the system drives us to consume.
Beats the shit out of working 40-50 hours a week to just stop your family starving and still not having any stuff and a shit life span.. which every other system except Capitalism produces.
As for noticing impacts of climate change, maybe NZ is insulated somewhat but I can assure you Australia is not. We have had arguably the worst start to the fire season ever and parts of the country are experiencing catastrophic fire danger for the first time. Towns are running out of water, rivers are drying and fish are dying. The drought is ongoing and impacting many. We are experiencing massive flooding events, coastal erosion, coastal bleaching and many species are in threat of extinction. We had 8 days over 40 degrees at my place in one month which is a record.
Not going to address that because I just so fundamentally disagree with your analysis.
I believe we as humans are largely responsible for this mess, If we choose to do nothing and hope technology saves us then I fear for our kids and grandkids because we will be leaving them one hell of a mess.
What mess? You mean record life spans? Record wealth? Least people living under poverty than any time before? Most leisure time than any humans in history? Affordable and readily accessed miracle drugs to the vast majority of the planet. I am super excited for my kids and grandkids future, I see great achievements and advances in the future to make the already great achievements of my generation look like the stone age. I hold no stock on the negative chicken little doomsday scenario that it is all down hill from here. Every era has them going back millenia, and they are ALWAYS wrong.