@antipodean said in Has Hansen gone stale?:

2011 was cathartic for me. Going back to back in 2015 made me as happy as Test rugby could. If we do the three-peat in 2019, I'd suggest the RWC could be irrevocably damaged.

Let it burn

The lions strike back

@Hooroo said in Coronavirus memes:

@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus memes:

My next door neighbour has just been diagnosed with COVID-19 and rushed to hospital.

He's been put on one of the new Dyson ventilators.

He's picking up nicely now.

Oh Man! I was typing a reply saying that is a good news story and then realised the thread I was in.

You almost got sucked right in..... I'll get my coat

@NTA said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

@canefan said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

@nzzp said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

Seriously, though, we talked about this with Henry as well. They will put systems in place to generate the players with attributes they need. Hansen's just done this wtih props - get mobile, or get gone. Simple.

It's about systems. We don't have any of note.

MacQueen and his team came together at just the right time and it took more than a year to get them pointed in the same direction

Was McKenzie on track before he fiddled and got caught?

Hard to say. From all reports, he had his favorites and would stick with them regardless.

Maybe his attitude was better (or better expressed) than Cheika. But look at that tweet from Quade - does that look like the culture was of a high standard when that guy is your first choice?

Genia's got an attitude problem as well. Many in Australia will refuse to countenance that.

While the Reds were winning, nobody cared

Some of the bad eggs, like Genia, are gone now anyway. You guys need new up and comers and someone to change the culture. Wait, I have just the man

@virgil said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

A lot of fathers here, just imagine your little girl brings home her new boyfriend to show you. In walks that fat fuck, do you reach for the machete you have stashed in the shed or run next door to grab your neighbours .22 ?

I think you'll need a .303

TSF is like an island in a sea of shit right now

At a bar 1km from Yokohama stadium. It is stonking hot and sunny. Lucky the beer is cold

@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:

@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:

Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.

In other words a typical Saturdee night when Craig Gower was playing

Foolah didn't mention bestiality. So Mitchell Pearce is in the clear right?

@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

@nzzp yeah unfortunately we have lost many of our 'international' posters over the years, for a variety of reasons

i, for one, blame the cantabs.

That why I'm expecting every Kiwi rugby fan on this forum who doesn't support Canterbury to be supporting the Jaguares tomorrow night

@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?

Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary

Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.

Used the supplied sanitizer and washed their hands when they got home before anything else

Absolutely, but none of that will help if you've been in close contact with someone that has the virus, which is hard to avoid in supermarkets.

And that's what annoys me - we've shut down our entire economy for this, so by that measure its extremely serious. But when it comes to masks, which are proven to stop the spread from infectious people, we're actively going the other way and telling people not to bother. So is it serious or not? If it is then we wear masks, if it's not then we don't bother.

There are a lot of people with Covid-19 that don't know they have it. Symptoms vary from asymptomatic, to very mild, to moderate right through to severe, so this is the perfect virus to encourage the use of masks when indoors.

I went to the supermarket today. Everyone was observing distance. By close contact, you can't get it unless they transfer fluids or touch you and you lick the surface. I always go home and have a shower after

They have said the virus can live on hard surfaces for a few hours, especially metal or plastic. So you could get it from a surface contact if you touch your face.

Yeah. I assumed most people weren't pressing their faces up against surfaces. They could touch surfaces and inadvertently put their hands on their face or mouth quite easily though. When I am there I find myself rubbing my face on the shoulder of my shirt instead. But it is notable how much I used to touch my face after contact, when I didn't think it mattered. I would imagine that is how many of us get out colds and flus

@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

Is it possible that both

1. DHBs are getting plenty of supplies
2. Frontline staff are not
   Can both be true?

With middle management involved? Anything is possible

@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?

Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary

Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.

Used the supplied sanitizer and washed their hands when they got home before anything else

Absolutely, but none of that will help if you've been in close contact with someone that has the virus, which is hard to avoid in supermarkets.

And that's what annoys me - we've shut down our entire economy for this, so by that measure its extremely serious. But when it comes to masks, which are proven to stop the spread from infectious people, we're actively going the other way and telling people not to bother. So is it serious or not? If it is then we wear masks, if it's not then we don't bother.

There are a lot of people with Covid-19 that don't know they have it. Symptoms vary from asymptomatic, to very mild, to moderate right through to severe, so this is the perfect virus to encourage the use of masks when indoors.

I went to the supermarket today. Everyone was observing distance. By close contact, you can't get it unless they transfer fluids or touch you and you lick the surface. I always go home and have a shower after

@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?

Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary

Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.

Used the supplied sanitizer and washed their hands when they got home before anything else

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120820651/coronavirus-ashley-bloomfield-says-new-zealand-could-be-seeing-peak-right-now-as-new-cases-level-off

This is good news, hopefully it means a relaxation of the lockdown is on schedule

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?

Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@No-Quarter It is weird, isn't it? . Experts in infectious diseases from Korea/ Japan say maskes are essential and don't understand why medical experts from other countries say they are not. Now it looks like there is a bit of a u-turn from the naysayers. Here in Japan it is just common sense that people should wear them for protection and prevention. I don't know a thing about the medical field but when doctors and nurses won't go into a hospital without them but tell the public they aren't necessary, I get friggen suspicious!

There is a greater potential for exposure in hospital, and even higher when you are actually dealing with covid patients. The virus exists in aerosols and droplets which can easily find their way into your eyes, nose or mouth. That's why all the testing station staff wear gowns masks and visors

No way really???

There is no shortage of PPE gear at the moment, that's just a fact, one I offered to prove to you.

I was answering Samurai's question

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

Possibly, but when you look at Italy etc, the long term damage there is going to be greater. Their lockdown, now, is even harder than ours because they started late. I'm hoping that at the end of this 4 weeks, NZ will be internally open, even if not to overseas, and we can get on with stuff.

If you are going to use the Italy extreme on one side , you have consider the German one on the other side.

It appears that we aren’t on the same path as Italy, and perhaps never were.

Considering our hospital system, and in particular the lack of ICU spots, would you be comfortable taking the chance? I spoke to my mate today. They are still waiting for supplies of the right PPE and Middlemore is the covid centre for Auckland. Even now, if it slides we are fucked, and the doctors and nurses who will try to manage the outbreak will literally be laying their lives on the line

Your mate is telling lies.

Who made you the Oracle? He is on the front line and doesn't have the protective gear he needs. He offered to bring his own but was told not to because it would panic the other staff.

Just because you didn't read it on Breitbart doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Or do you moonlight at the hospital so you saw it for yourself?

Because in my warehouse I have the local supply of gowns, visors, respirators, goggles, masks and overalls for DHB They have barely been touched and the warehouse and provisioning manager said that nobody is remotely short of PPE gear nationwide. And if our national centre for wuflu was short of equipment then it would be major news and easily resolved.
I am sceptical of your stories about a "mate".

Want proof? I can take photos of the pallets and pallets of PPE gear. Even write your name and place it on the photo.
You or your mate are full of shite.

Then why the fuck aren't people working in the hospitals getting this gear? These people are not ones to lie.

They are getting the gear when needed. Either you or your mate are lying

Well fuck you! But about the gear I'd love to buy N95 masks for work and if you know where these can be bought then great

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@No-Quarter It is weird, isn't it? . Experts in infectious diseases from Korea/ Japan say maskes are essential and don't understand why medical experts from other countries say they are not. Now it looks like there is a bit of a u-turn from the naysayers. Here in Japan it is just common sense that people should wear them for protection and prevention. I don't know a thing about the medical field but when doctors and nurses won't go into a hospital without them but tell the public they aren't necessary, I get friggen suspicious!

There is a greater potential for exposure in hospital, and even higher when you are actually dealing with covid patients. The virus exists in aerosols and droplets which can easily find their way into your eyes, nose or mouth. That's why all the testing station staff wear gowns masks and visors

@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback this is consistent with what we are told every day at the pressers too. There is plenty of PPE. Media just won’t let it go.

We’ve even been given numbers I don’t doubt that there are ppl who feel they should have masks etc who haven’t but if they were handed out on demand we’d have the equivalent of a toilet roll rush

I didn’t distribute PPE and sanitiser to staff because I knew a large % would go straight home

The mate that BSG says is 'full of shite' is an orthopaedic consultant. I used to flat with him. At the same time our third flatmate is now an ED consultant at North Shore hospital. They both complain that there isn't enough for them at their workplaces. So there is a disconnect between what they are seeing and what is being reported and observed around the country