Really dangerous - just imagine if BOD's vivid had slipped or run through yr kids clothes.
He could have dyed
Really dangerous - just imagine if BOD's vivid had slipped or run through yr kids clothes.
He could have dyed
@Bovidae Pretty much saved me posting.
I too was at the game and it was magnificent sporting occasion. My brother had some sports ears and it was very obvious that while Poite was telling the Lions what they should do there were no repercussions when they totally ignored him.
Everyone agrees we dominated the first half. Gatland clearly got his troops together and said you've played shit - they're bullying you but your still in this and can steal it. Stop trying to play the AB's at their game and slow the game down and wait for the penalties to come. The AB's are over eager and the mistakes will come.
and come they did - right from the kick off. That penalty to get them to within three - you could see the belief grow in the Lions. Then AB's butchered another try and Kaino was (rightly IMO) binned and we lost the plot a bit.
Meanwhile Roundtree? was on the field every stoppage coaching the players chipping away at the ref - it was fucking annoying but quite effective. He, Gatland and Itoje have faces that just cry out to be slapped.
You could see the Lions stealing it becoming more real from about 20 minutes out so the end result was no real surprise - albeit deeply unsatisfying.
As for the ground itself. Monumental experience Worth every cent all 50,000 of them. I've read a bit about how the Lions fans out-passioned our support and we have to learn from them. Well while that is true I think by the 3rd test we Kiwi's had learned and certainly in my part of the ground the Lions were no more vocal than the locals. Every time a Lions chant went up or we felt the AB's needed our support the crowd were up to it. It took many cleansing ales and until about 3am before I got my voice back.
So while it feels like a series lost, we have an opportunity to learn from this. We're not as good as we thought we were, but we're still pretty good and unlike some I think Hansen will take a lot out of this and we will be all the better for it come Japan 2019.
Great night, great test shit result
It gets really tiresome so many threads being hijacked by Trump apologists
1 Hilary has publically stated that she is appalled by Weinstein and he should suffer full consequences of his actions
2 Yeah Hollywood majority is liberal but given the Sec State allegedly called Trump a moron why shouldn't an actor
3 Weinstein's abhorrent behavior doesn't excuse Trumps abhorrent behavior. There's plenty of allegations about him doing more than just grope but he's made to POTUS
4 Although it seems knowledge of Weinstein's behavior was indeed widespread politicians and political parties of all persuasions take money and endorsements from all manner of scumbags. Is it hypocritical to blame one when you have direct knowledge of the other and still cosy up to the second. Definitely but everyone's doing it - unfortunately.
5 The direct knowledge thing is interesting. Don't underestimate peoples ability to ignore stuff that with hindsight is obvious - not because of any benefit they receive - but because the facts are just too heinous for their mind to accept. Unfortunately I have some experience here. A guy once worked in one of my sites. He was an evil paedophile of the worst order. His workmates were defending him rigorously despite evidence to the contrary right up until he confessed because they could not believe someone they worked with and knew was a monster. I'm sure we've all had conversations like "wouldn't surprise me if X was done for Y" but we do nothing about it because we refuse to countenance reality and fall back to thinking he's a bit strange sure but No way. That's before you factor in the power and influence, money and lawyers and shit that Weinstein employed to ensure he could maintain a patina of respectability.
@hooroo Only what is in the media but I do have a few immediate thoughts.
lt's being touted as a free stadium - but its not going to be free. At a minimum I would anticipate that the private investors would want the land gifted to them. That land being Bledisloe Wharf. I guess that this implicitly accepts that the proposal pre 2011 was never going to work as there was insufficient space
PoA are in the very early stages of examining alternative sites for the port location, but any relocation is decades away. Losing Bledisloe at this stage is not commercially viable
More commercial realities. Moving the port (probably to Firth of Thames) will cost shit loads. the cost-offset is the development of the existing port to unlock its land value. Plonking a stadium down wastes this land value effectively making the port relocation more expensive.
A stadium is a poor use of such a prime site. As I have said before - there's a reason renders of stadia are always night shots with stands brilliantly lit up a people spilling out into the surrounding area. The reality is that during the day every one of them is effectively and blank walled citadel 13 stories high with no activity or street level engagement.
It appears there has been an attempt to mitigate the above by part sinking it into the harbour. LMFAO way to dramatically increase costs. I can't imagine the millions of litres of water that will continually have to be pumped away but when Britomart was going to be 5 levels deep it was an astronomical figure.
By all means move the port and develop the land - at some point in the future, but IMO such a development should be a combination of public space and residential. This both by the "private investors" and Goff just screams vanity project. We have a history of doing things like this on the cheap. Just what Akl needs a cheap plastic box right on our foreshore that will become effectively an industrial wasteland for 90% of the time. If there is a real desire to move away from EP then a proper site should be identified and developed. The whole perceived need is actually down to a ham=-fisted attempt to rationalise Akl's sporting venues and gather public support through a smoke and mirrors conceptualisation of something that would turn out far different to the pretty pictures Granny Ferald publishes every 6 mths or so
OK so a month back I went to a business forum with Bill English speaking
It was the day that he had said goodbye to Li Keqiang. He had also been at Paremoremo Prison earlier that day handing out Literacy Awards. Both events coloured some of his comments.
I have written before about the reception that John Key got at similar events. We are all aware that English has a PR issue - being perceived as a bit grey, lacking charisma and personality.
So it was interesting to see hear him speak having not doe so for probably 6-7 years. He's made huge improvements in the way that he comes across.
He got four genuine rounds of laughter in the first minute of talking. Whilst never going to reach the level of comfort speaking as Key with his aw shucks boy next door blokey goofiness the new PM came across pretty damn well I have to say. Certainly (as expected) was a lot better on detail than Key and less able to produce a sound bite but nevertheless it was a pretty polished performance. He'd come across a lot better IMO if he could simply get some inflexion into his voice which is a bit atonal.
Overall he came across as a really effective, competent manager compared with Key's team leader persona.
I took some notes at the time but I'm having some issues recalling what I meant so apologies if this is disjointed.
So in bullet form
Sorry about length of post. English gave more substantive detail in 40 mins than Key did in the 4 or 5 speeches I heard him make.
Few main impressions. English really, really cares. Deride him for his politics and policies but don't doubt that. First PM to ever make the effort to gain a reasonable level of fluency in Te Reo.
He's a bright bastard and very competent and I reckon he's better able to make tough decisions than Key was because he doesn't care about personal popularity. He's an old fashioned conviction politician but with some very modern ideas.
Shame he's been saddled with the scenario of Peters as the king maker because I think he could make an excellent PM, but if that does transpire i think Winston will find English a tougher proposition than Bolger was or Key would've been
As for the conduct in the coaches box: I believe I've said before that if Shag & Co want to sit there like they've been forced to attend their least favourite cousin's wedding, they're more than welcome.
Cheika may go OTT but that's his business. You may think he looks like a dick doing it, and that's your business.
I just wonder how effective he can be as a coach when he comes across as the worst sort of rabid one-eyed fan.
I mean I have mates (I know, I know) who act like Chieka does - histrionically questioning every decision as if it was the fifth trumpet of the apocalypse that sounded rather than a refs whistle.
Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
It has been interesting to read this thread from beginning to end in one go.
Team announced: Thank Fark. That really is our best team apart from Retallick. The Wobblies are in for a world of hurt.
Post Game: Hanson's shit. Team's shit. Tactics shit. Captain Shit. Wallabies brilliant. We are doomed. Worst loss ever. We need to bring in more Blues/Crusaders (delete depending on your provincial bias).
The only bit I really agree with is the Wallabies were brilliant. The shame of the game for me is that we really didn't see enough IMO to determine if the two experiments held any promise although I agree Smith looked ponderous. I'm also struggling to remember when tandem open sides has ever worked for us. To be fair Hanson came out against the idea but I guess Savea's form and the lack of bona-fide 6's made it worth a go. I didn't read too many complaining about it earlier in the week. As such I think it is worth persevering with. We know what the other options at blindside are.
The one player I thinks has well over-stayed his welcome is Franks.
It confirmed what I have thought for the last 4 years; Retallick is our most important player. When he went down against the Boks I feared our RWC defence was in tatters.
We looked much better when we kept hold of the pill instead of aimlessly hoofing it downtown. I think we created at least two dead cert tries if the 15th man had been there to take the final pass.
How good were Aussie? Very, very good. How good did we allow them to be? Too friggin good...
I agree she should have been safe. Just as I should have been safe walking anywhere in Buenos Aires or parts of Cambodia or any of the other places I have been warned never to venture.
I guess I should have been able to get a drink in the Old Rising Sun pub right here in Auckland rather than be told I was the wrong fucking colour and that if I stayed another minute both my legs would get broken.
People should feel safe on the streets, with strangers - in their own homes - day or night - anywhere, anytime.
Unfortunately that ain't the world we live in. Never has been and sadly probably never will be and no amount of posturing hysteria is going to alter that.
Grace Millane's father obviously realises this and has responded with a personal dignity in devastating circumstances that is a true salute to his daughters too short life. The social and mainstream media moirologists and our PM should follow his example instead of trying to outdo each other with displays of faux grief and outrage.
A lot has been said today about BJ especially the way he answered the SOS in 71. What hasn’t really been mentioned is how unprepared he was. 24 hours notice. Playing club and a bit of low level rep rugby. Out of position. Against arguably the best side to ever tour NZ. A side which had the wood on us. He was 1.91 and 95 kg FFS Yet he never hesitated. Even though he must have known there was a real risk he would be humiliated
The word legend is bandied around a lot nowadays generally IMO unearned and pure hyperbole. I honestly struggle to think of anyone who has contributed more to NZ rugby than BJ Lochore. He wasn’t the best #8 we’ve ever had. Possibly not the best Captain. Again possibly not the best Coach. But he was in the top 2-3 in every category. No one else comes close to that achievement.
I may have been told last November by someone who may be a world cup winning 10 and current selector that Bridge was almost certainly going to Japan and that it might be a season too far for a certain long serving prop. Allegedly...
That conversation which I never did get around to writing up (too late now) suggests that the TWM actually have been working to a plan and may even know what they're doing; hard though it is to imagine that they could do a better job than the collective wisdom of The Fern.
@booboo I feel your pain.
Similarly why the fuck do they have to do their shopping at the weekend? FFS you stupid old fluffybunnies you have all week to buy your incontinence pads - why wait until the supermarket is packed with us wage slaves at the weekend.
Also have your fucking card ready lady. I understand you probably have early dementia but surely it's not a shock that you are going to have to pay for said incontinence pads and / or that you will struggle to find your card in the small houselot of bric-a-bac and assorted shit you call your handbag. So please God don't wait until everything is swiped through the reader before you even contemplate looking for it.
Finally the checkout operator is not your friend. They do not need to hear about your hip operation while the rest of us wait. Thank fuck for self checkouts - although just last week I stood in line for one of those to clear while some old dear parked her trolley and waited for someone to appear and process her shopping for her.
I think they do it just because they can. Miserable old fucks taking delight in pissing the rest of us off
@virgil Personally doesn't work that way for me. I gave up caring about the Warriors and Blues a decade ago. Unfortunately I was smitten with the cricket bug in my youth and have carried a candle for NZ Cricket ever since.
Its a lovelorn liaison though as she's a feckless temptress. Plays me along just enough to keep me interested and then consistently leaves me disappointed and wanting more out of the relationship - like a teenage virgin its all excitement, expectation, the promise of fulfilment and ultimately lots of disappointing nights in front of the TV.
Its been a life-long love affair though and I dare say I will carry it on till I go to my grave. There's no fool like an old fool.
At 5.30 am on 12/10/1917 NZ Division went over the top at Passchendaele. By the end of the day 843 were dead, many of them drowning in the thick mud that covered no mans land.
There are numerous accounts of that day and its immediate aftermath and a series of commemorations underway.
I have a personal connection My great uncle Edward was a private in the 2nd battalion of the Canterbury Regiment. Hailing from Kohukohu he had followed his older brother to Flanders and unfortunately just as his sibling had 12 months earlier, he died on, or possibly in, the battlefield having only been in Belgium 3 short weeks.
Edward's body was never recovered. He has a memorial at Tyne Cot, the largest Commonwealth War grave in the world.
In 1914/15 the Hokianga Historical Society visited the graves of all 116 WWI dead from the area, took photos and laid a flax poppy.
Lest We Forget
Am I the only one irritated by the #metoo trend?
In no way meaning to dismiss the feelings of anyone who has suffered genuine sexual harassment / abuse but it just seems to me like another bandwagon.
I'm sure most people (including even me) have be3en put into some uncomfortable or unwanted situations, but not everyone feels the need to #metoo.
I'd feel more sympathy if these "courageous people of all genders" had spoken out at the time - that would have been courageous. Now it seems like a whole lot of "I really didn't welcome that grope 30 years ago" is obscuring proper rationale debate and action on what is an ongoing issue and one likely to get worse not improve.
East Pakistan fought a war of Independence against Pakistan. It is pretty widely accepted that Pakistan military carried out genocide with up to 3 mill killed and 400K women raped.
Declaration of independence was prompted by mass killings against East Bengali dissidents.
Most Bangladeshi's wouldn't have been around 50 years ago but it sounds a bit more serious to me than an underarm incident so guessing it still lingers on the consciousness.
There was quite a lot of "the Lion's aren't going to win again on tour" chatter after the Blues match.
That isn't holding ourselves to a higher standard or passion for the game.
It's arrogant. It's condescending and it's also bullshit.
The British press talks a lot about every NZer being an expert on rugby and every granny being able to talk authoritatively about the workings of the front row. Which is as much crap about the "it's like Britain in the 50's" twaddle.
Rugby is our national sport so yeah its more popularly followed than in Britain (or pretty much anywhere else), but this forum can make you forget how little the average Kiwi actually knows about the game. Even here there are many (myself included) who confess we don't follow rugby as closely as we once did.
Couple the above with serious lashings of hubris and inferiority complex and yeah arrogant seems fairly accurate.
and BTW if everyone was fit I wouldn't have a tourist in my starting AB side either
Not one. Not a single fucking one of the Auckland pistonwristedgibbons who have given me heaps about Harbour over the years has fronted.
Almost as pathetic as their team. Almost.......
On that performance Akl would struggle in Heartland rugby and that's a genuine observation not gloating. They really were poor. Boys against men stuff
I'm pretty ignorant to racing but can of the experts on here explain what happened the last time around? Seemed like we had the faster boat to get to 8-1, they made a "modification" and suddenly they had a significantly faster boat. I don't think I've ever read a reasonable explanation for that?
To elaborate on Virgil's succinct summation:
There are actually two schools of thought
The most common explanation here in NZ is that ETNZ were short of money so Oracle offered them some cash in return for an extra lay day, which Dalton gratefully accepted because ETNZ was seriously underfunded and no one could see any way back from 8-1.
Oracle then put 40 boatbuilders from the Warkworth company involved in the development of ETNZ's boat on a plane to SF where they worked solidly for 72 hours to improve the Oracle boat.
None of the above is contested by Oracle. The kiwi cheating argument is based around bribing the Warkworth crew to divulge ETNZ's IP
The OR counter-argument is that the two boats had similar speeds but ETNZ were sailing better and that the fundamental change to get them back into the game was the replacing of Kotsciezki as tactician by Ainslie which allowed OR to improve their sailing performance and hence take out the series and that all the cheating allegations are just sour grapes.
OR's position is actually pretty popular with neutrals mainly because unfortunately their an awful lot of Kiwi ferals out in the sailing blogosphere who have pretty shameful chips on their shoulders and who have already started with the triumphalism.
Personally I find OR's argument a little suspicious because while I think Ainslie did make a hell of a difference pre the break in racing OR's big issue was they couldn't consistently stay up on their foils but after it they had no issues. It is possible this was all to do with Ainslie and more experience foiling but hey why the Warkworth "traitors" then.
With hindsight I think there were two critical decisions - gifting OR the extra time to improve their boat and also covering their boat in the race that ran out of wind. If you recall we could have won the Cup but for a race in which we were minutes ahead being called off because it ran out of time. OR through in a series of tacks which we covered (which is match racing 101) however these tacks slowed the race down. What we should have done is trusted our boat speed, ignored OR and dragged for the line. All easy after the event huh.
Whatever it does make me nervous still about what rabbits OR can pull out of the hat in the next 5 days.
Or as Virg says - cheating fuckers