@Crucial that's what led me to think murder. Before that I could see it as a genuine accident via alcohol and BDSM.

@Crucial after reading the judges summary I think we'll see a murder decision. The overview of the force needed to kill (alcohol in the system or otherwise) and the pathology summary points that way imo.

@chimoaus that is awesome- when not 40 degrees and on fire of course

@Gunner nooooooo

*"That is that the defendant knew he was causing harm that might cause death, he was aware of that risk, and he took it, and as a result of taking that risk, death occurred.

"That is reckless intent, conscious risk taking. You can kill someone by conscious risk taking and in this country that is murder," he tells the jury*

That's interesting given the context of the case - if anyone is participating in consenting BDSM, with all the checks/balances (safe words etc), then you are still subject to a possible murder charge if it goes wrong? Rather than a manslaughter/accidental death charge? Acknowledging that this is the edge case of things going as wrong as possible.

Edit - meant to ask about impaired decision making also - if they both were pissed then what? the above clarification implies conscious decision-making and actions. So his state of inebriation or whatever has no bearing?

@chimoaus stay as safe as you can bro. Hoping the weather/wind/gods play ball and things settle down.

How nervous are folks about fires being purposely lit? with these sorts of conditions and coverage that must be an ongoing concern, let alone any accidental fires starting.

On the 28th Feb I will be listening to TOOL at Vector - snared some presale tickets. Double celebration as we'll have a 2 week (ish) old baby in late Feb, luckily the missus is supportive of my life goals ha ha.

@mariner4life I rate Rennie ahead of Deans on those attributes - probably has more scope for improvement given how shithouse things have been tracking.

@mariner4life but I think he's a calm and measured guy - whereas the last few have been fueled by PASSION and a massive dose of Aussie, aussie, aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi!!

After the shambles and busted relationships there (surely!) will be some pragmatism about how long it'll take to get the house in order and see improvement.

If he can make this post a winner he can do anything imo!

@Bovidae I agree. It's a different direction but not necessarily a bad one. They got totally screwed by Rice, and the other guy made a dumb decision. Booze and sleeping pills!? Ffs
I've heard quite a few interviews with Walsh and quite like his approach. He's pretty up front about things. I wonder if the coach has been the major force altering the culture?