No doubt they will feature in the investigation, those are pretty serious claims.
But at the same time these guys are heroes to a lot of people, a lot of people owe their lives to them.
Won’t undo any wrong doing of course, but will make it hard to paint them as the bad guys..
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@mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
FUCK OFF WARNER YOU GIANT fluffybunny!!!!!
The only shock is that you beat Virgil to that comment
I’m gutted we won’t see the humble low key 100 celebration today..
We should have requested this series to be played in England.. and with Stuart Broad on our side..
@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
So, let's say that one of these pilots decides - and is not prevented - from flying to the island for a deceased recovery operation.
They crash due to conditions, but are still alive and radio for help.
Is the government then obliged to send more live bodies in to rescue the living bodies that went after the dead bodies?
Or do they say "You exercised your individual choice to fly there. We are exercising our right to leave you to that choice"?
I’d assume one of his chopper pilot mates would go in, or a boatie from Whakatane.
I doubt there would be a lack of volunteers
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
If they had no idea it was going to erupt on Monday how can they be sure it will erupt again now.
It’s an active volcano, I’d imagine no one at GNS wants to be the person to say yep your all good to go over now.
Not wanting to open arguments from earlier this morning, but kind of illustrates my earlier point about not allowing access.
If the pilots want to go, if they are saying they are fine with the risk and confident they can get in and out then let them go
It was even admitted by the police that they could have gone on Tuesday but they failed to make the call.
@Hooroo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
As I said earlier ( and someone commented) the pilots are confident they can get in and out of there with everyone in around 20 mins
I bet ten bob to a knob that they can't get in and out in twenty mins. Have they already identified the location of the bodies individually?
Supposedly they have, pretty sure i read they have even marked on a map for the police the location of those remaining on the island. The Kiwi guide who has been mentioned a lot was moved by one of the pilots to a better spot, he would have intended to come back to get him that day.
Now it sounds like the police are considering a data plan recovery, basically go in load up the bodies and leave. No looking around for evidence or noting the scene.
Seems to me that was the most logical option to begin with?
As I said earlier ( and someone commented) the pilots are confident they can get in and out of there with everyone in around 20 mins
If they had no idea it was going to erupt on Monday how can they be sure it will erupt again now.
It’s an active volcano, I’d imagine no one at GNS wants to be the person to say yep your all good to go over now.
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
They're dead, they're not rescuing anyone.
Tell that to the families of the missing.. sorry they are dead it’s not important to get them back
Also I my point was from the very beginning, from what the pilots who landed on the island straight after the explosion said, no rescue services were going to actually rescue anyone. One pilot had to leave his co pilot behind so he could carry more injured, he was then told not to go back to get him.
I would, as the authorities are, not perhaps as harshly.
I think you're conflating two issues. Whilst there are people alive I'm on board with the sentiment. There's not now.
To only recover bodies at the risk of losing more lives is not a risk worth taking. Recovering the bodies will not bring them back. And the risk is certainly not worth it for some minor emotional benefit.
The pilots who were there on Monday want to go back, they say they can retrieve the bodies in 20 minutes they know exactly where each body is. Let them go.
Reading an article now on stuff ( I know I know)
Great quote by one of Tony Smith a St John medic who attempted a rescue straight after the eruption..
‘Safety is never black and white, it’s always grey’