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    There's an extract is in Stuff, seems OK - Scotty is an OK writer

  • Build A Waterfront Stadium

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    @rapido said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    The end goal for Auckland should be:

    a 20k rectangular stadium
    - a 65k rectangular national stadium a cricket oval

    I think at 65k we would struggle to fill it more than once in an average year for the best AB test. The occasional World Cup Qualifier, the first SoO in NZ, Lions Tour or the odd concert may justify it - but even for the standard slate of AB tests I see it being a bit of an Olympic Stadium type albatross.

    Things could change in the next twenty years, but the case for filling a large stadium for rugby/league regularly in Auckland is certainly a lot weaker than it was two decades ago.

    Do love the idea of a 20k stadium + cricket oval sharing facilities. Eden Park 1&2 do (did?) this somewhat but obviously the facilities are pretty limited this would be on a much grander scale.

  • It's Hammerlander time

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    @rotated said in It's Hammerlander time:

    @darren-nicholson said in It's Hammerlander time:

    They where really the heart and soul of the Canes.

    I think that was the problem. There is nothing to suggest that Hammett was wrong in his assessment at that point Nonu, Weepu and Hore were and would continue to be underwhelming at Super level. I would not have had confidence as that as the leadership core (official or unofficial) for a team at Super level.

    The way it was handled, three months out from a World Cup, was the where things went wrong. The first the public and many of the players heard about any serious issues was the axing. The fact he is proud about it and doesn't see it as one that he would like to have his time again on speaks volumes.

    The fact Hammer was able to piss away whatever lore and mana that comes with being a NZ coach in Wales within 6 months tells you more about him than the Canes stint.

    I think you're miss-remembering. Nonu wasn't an under-performer at Super level and in 2011 he was having a storming season. Hore was having his worst year as a player and he should have been benched by Hammett who instead kept him on as captain, and Weepu was never a consistent bad performer at Super level (and he wasn't booted, he chose to leave).

    Also, the issues at the Canes in 2011 were known before the actual axing of the players.

    Agree with all the rest though. 🙂

  • semi final v Waikato

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    @steven-harris I think that is exactly the approach. No problems with players who commit but loan players at last minute just annoy the crap out of everyone. Agree with comments about players below. Competition for spots improves performance. If we can retain players, then I think we are one lock and one prop short so along with a winger with wheels, they would be top of my list.

  • Cricket 2018/19

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    I've looked into some of it further.

    On the scheduling. I'm disappointed Plunket Shield is reduced to 8 rounds, but NZC this year have an NZ A tour away to UAE to play Pakistan and also have an incoming tour by India A. That is 5 extra FC games (plus plenty of whiteball games) for the fringe players.

    I'm not sure if one is a financial trade-off for the other.

    NZC contract the domestic player for 7 months. Whether they play 8 rounds or 10 rounds is fairly irrelevant, although there would be operational costs in hosting those 6 matches.

    I've looked at the rest of the domestic calendar. There are the same number of rounds of List A and T20, so no other comp has expanded at the expense of the other. So it can only be a financial rather than playing reason.

    On the financial side. The annual report is due out in a few weeks so probably not worth getting stuck into that yet. Looking at last years report they made a $10m loss and explained they have a squeeze for a few years until 2023

    White said NZC faced a "challenging couple of years" but explained the loss was largely due to the International Cricket Council's new financial model. In the eight years till 2023, NZC's slice of ICC funding would increase from US$90m to US$128m but it was a case of less now, more later.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/98666541/nz-cricket-to-declare-93-million-loss-as-it-locks-in-big-indian-broadcast-deal

    I hope that a reduced Plunket Shield doesn't get institutionalised before the money starts coming back in.

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    @siam after winning the shield really I had nothing in this emotionally. Glad we won but what does 'winning promotion' mean? Compare this game v Waikato v '98! Still go the mighty blue n gold!!!!

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    @nepia said in Samoa in the shit ... poached like a taupo trout (apparently):

    @rapido Damn, that is really candid. Sheesh, imagine if Hansen started lobbing grenades at NZR in that manner.

    How about this for candid .... It's from an article 3 months ago though, about late player payments. Judging by this I'd think Tonga are still a way off getting a seat at the board.

    (I was doing a google search to see if Tonga have named their November squad yet).

    Jul 3, 2018  /  Pacific Sport: Tonga players finally paid for June tests, CEO MIA Sport: Tonga players finally paid for June tests, CEO MIA

    The Tonga rugby squad have finally been paid for their efforts in the June test window, after a number of players had hit out at the lack of support from the country's Rugby Union.

    The Tonga rugby squad have finally been paid for their efforts in the June test window, after a number of players had hit out at the lack of support from the country's Rugby Union.

    Bath flyer Cooper Vuna tweeted after the 'Ikale Tahi beat Fiji a week and a half ago that the players were still waiting for CEO Fe'ao Vunipola to pay the team and congratulate them on their achievements.

    Injured Leicester Tigers fullback Telusa Veainu also commented that "Some things just don't change. Give the players what they deserve."

    'Ikale Tahi coach Toutai Kefu said funding remained an ongoing problem for the Tonga Rugby Union, which is almost entirely reliant on World Rugby.

    "Because of our incompetence in terms of our governance/administration we lack that power to pursue other forms of funding and even organisation of test matches during the November window and sponsorship and all that type of stuff so we're basically 99.9 percent funded by World Rugby," he acknowledged.

    Toutai Kefu said the 'Ikale Tahi team manager, former test captain Inoke Afeaki, has assured him the players were finally paid last week.

    "It's one of the things that creeps up every campaign. We always try and get the players paid in the first week of the tour and the last week of the tour.

    "Now, because of for some reason or another, the government is responsible for those payments and they've always contributed to the player payments... it's either been held up or just a slow process, for one reason or another, but in the end it always seems to get paid."

    Kefu said TRU Chief Executive Fe'ao Vunipola is a hard man to track down and the former test front rower has not visited the team or attended any of the 'Ikale Tahi's recent matches.

    "I haven't spoken to him for over 18 months. He doesn't even come to any of the games, there's no well-wishes," he said.

    "Even when we were in Tonga last year - apparently he was in Tonga but he didn't even come and see the team."

    "He splits his time between UK and Tonga though I think he spends more time actually in the UK but we actually don't know when he actually is in Tonga," admitted the former Wallabies number eight.

    "He turns up pretty much at his will. I don't know what he actually does because we've been running the 'Ikale Tahi parallel to the Union for the last two/three years, we've been trying to deal with governments and trying to deal with World Rugby on our own."

    Toutai Kefu said a request for additional funding from World Rugby was approved in December, which allowed them to expand staff and player numbers for the June window and have a week-long camp in Auckland before tests against Georgia, Samoa and Fiji.

    Tonga's victories over Manu Samoa and the Flying Fijians, which followed a one-point defeat the Lelos, helped them climb to 12th place in the latest World Rugby rankings.

    Unlike Samoa for the last decade, Tonga are actually punching well above their weight at a playing level, and at a player development level are producing good home-grown and/or scholarship players.

    Yet their union is disfunctional. Well gone to the coaches, players, and thank the genes of their ancestors for being able to rise above the administrative rabble (but probably only temporarily if not sorted).

  • 2018 Mitre 10 Cup Form XV

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    @steven-harris Wouldn't argue too much against that. I kind of went with collective form from the beginning of the season to the end, and Tupaea has been a bit more consistent through the entire season to me, but Faddes' 2nd half of the season form has been so good, it might be enough to warrant him a spot in that 2nd XV.

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    Sevens results of the finals:

    Women's U18
    GOLD New Zealand
    SILVER France
    BRONZE Canada (after beating Colombia 24 - 19)

    Men's U18
    GOLD Argentina (after beating France 24 - 14)
    SILVER France
    BRONZE Japan (after beating South Africa 28 - 5)

  • 2018 Rugby Championship

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  • Steamers in Tauranga

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    @duluth said in Steamers in Tauranga:

    Thoroughgood over Faiane is about local pathways? What is Debra ahead of Thoroughgood? How much club rugby did he play?

    If the player is committed medium term to the province I don't think it matters. He'll be fully in the club comp next year.. it's not a one season thing

    I'd say they signed Debreczeni for his experience more than anything else and because he was playing SR couldn't play club rugby. Northland apparently tried to sign Fletcher Smith before JD so it was clear that they wanted at least one experienced 10 and supplement with guys from club rugby. Thoroughgood spent the whole club season up here and would've been regularly watched. He was the form 10 in club rugby so deserved his shot, certainly no better or worse than Faiane in the club games I watched. Maybe it hasn't turned out to be the right choice but the thinking behind it at the time was right.

    Faiane is a talented young player earning his way - from what I heard and saw he certainly wasn't bashing the door down in club rugby. Might be good for him slowly making his way.

    @taniwharugby I think you're right it would be best if Gregory has another year developing, I just won't be surprised if he gets a gig given how the contracting is going now.

    @kev it will be interesting to watch how Tua develops, he's definitely got some talent and size is a natural advantage but hasn't looked like a SR player yet. He showed potential last year but hasn't really built on it this year. As you say, the defence is the big work on and if he can sort that out will be very handy for us.

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    Oh what could have been. If we played with the acuracy we showed today, we'd be in the semis. Though another game where we leaked points in the last 20. Fitness needs to be looked at next year. Narawa looked great on the wing. Plenty of positives from the pack. We needed a better centre (shame Foketi was injured all season) this year. A new backs coach too. We were too predictable. Shame we didn't have Monty Ioane this year. He was electric. I'm still dumbfounded how he missed out on a super contract.

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    Oh what could have been. If we played with the acuracy we showed today, we'd be in the semis. Though another game where we leaked points in the last 20. Fitness needs to be looked at next year. Narawa looked great on the wing. Plenty of positives from the pack. We needed a better centre (shame Foketi was injured all season) this year. A new backs coach too. We were too predictable. Shame we didn't have Monty Ioane this year. He was electric. I'm still dumbfounded how he missed out on a super contract.

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    The Tui have lost their semi 10 - 34. They missed Cottrell badly; without her, there's no good game management, no creativity on attack. That's not Williams fault; she had to play out of position. There were too many handling errors, but the players showed great attitude. They kept playing until the final whistle. Jefferson, Powdrell and Tipiwai looking good, but the Tui desperately need to find younger players in some positions. Several players over thirty in this team and some of them are just too slow.

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  • Tasman v Magpies

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    As you know with Ihaia West, if your only good at attacking then it can only get you so far

  • Poor Ole Ngati Porou East Coast!!

  • v Waikato

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    @crucial Remember the game well,he used the TMO on at least 4 occasions in that game..was against Southland,looked like a guy making his debut and unsure of himself to make a decision..!.
    Just don’t like his style,quite like the official who is relaxed and enjoying what he is there for but still letting the game flow.!
    Pickerall looks to 2nd guess himself..!

  • Springboks v Wallabies

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    @antipodean said in Springboks v Wallabies:

    I've played with Larkham and it's amazing how much time he seems to have on the field. He reinforces my opinion of tremendously talented players don't make great coaches. I think that's because they assume a level of skill, calmness and awareness that other players don't have.

    I recall that way he used to drift through while the defence were waiting for him to pass, and I was yelling for someone to nail the forkah!

    Found the same thing with skiing and tennis. The best players do things instinctively, and struggle to enunciate what they do.