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Comey was farked either way here. He does nothing and this comes out after the election and he looks like he influenced the election or he does what he just did and still looks like he's influencing the election.
Clinton can only blame herself for this shitstorm. If she hadn't been so monumentally stupid in the first place then there would be no scandal and no FBI investigation.
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@jegga said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Frank said in US Election Thread 2016:
@jegga
It's all fun and games until it looks as if Trump might have a chance.(I still think a slim chance given the running nature of his mouth and what other stuff the Dems are holding back.)What do you think of these sorts of statements?
Oh fark me. He's an anti-vaxxer as well? I didn't think I could despise him any more than I already did but it turns out there is indeed another level. What an oxygen thief.
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@Catogrande said in US Election Thread 2016:
Now Comey at the FBI is under the spotlight as he was advised by the justice department not to make the new enquiry public as it could be construed as interfering in an election.
I guess Comey really wants Clinton's guts.
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
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@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Catogrande said in US Election Thread 2016:
Now Comey at the FBI is under the spotlight as he was advised by the justice department not to make the new enquiry public as it could be construed as interfering in an election.
I guess Comey really wants Clinton's guts.
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I think Comey should have stuck with their policies and traditions. He knew what he was doing was contrary to what was expected of the FBI / DoJ and he went ahead and did it anyway. Thats what makes the whole thing look really bad.
When you consider what the former AG has to say, it makes Comey look like a loose cannon:
"That is why I am deeply concerned about FBI Director James B. Comey’s decision to write a vague letter to Congress about emails potentially connected to a matter of public, and political, interest. That decision was incorrect. It violated long-standing Justice Department policies and tradition. And it ran counter to guidance that I put in place four years ago laying out the proper way to conduct investigations during an election season. That guidance, which reinforced established policy, is still in effect and applies to the entire Justice Department — including the FBI.
The department has a practice of not commenting on ongoing investigations. Indeed, except in exceptional circumstances, the department will not even acknowledge the existence of an investigation. The department also has a policy of not taking unnecessary action close in time to Election Day that might influence an election’s outcome. These rules have been followed during Republican and Democratic administrations. They aren’t designed to help any particular individual or to serve any political interest. Instead, they are intended to ensure that every investigation proceeds fairly and judiciously; to maintain the public trust in the department’s ability to do its job free of political influence; and to prevent investigations from unfairly or unintentionally casting public suspicion on public officials who have done nothing wrong.
Director Comey broke with these fundamental principles. I fear he has unintentionally and negatively affected public trust in both the Justice Department and the FBI. And he has allowed — again without improper motive — misinformation to be spread by partisans with less pure intentions. Already, we have learned that the importance of the discovery itself may have been overblown. According to the director himself, there is no indication yet that the “newly discovered” emails bear any significance at all. And yet, because of his decision to comment on this development before sufficient facts were known, the public has faced a torrent of conspiracy theories and misrepresentations.
This controversy has its roots in the director’s July decision to hold a news conference announcing his recommendation that the Justice Department bring no charges against Hillary Clinton. Instead of making a private recommendation to the attorney general — consistent with Justice Department policy — he chose to publicly share his professional recommendation, as well as his personal opinions, about the case. That was a stunning breach of protocol. It may set a dangerous precedent for future investigations. It was wrong."
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@Frank If they already had something big they could have charged her. He announced that they were reopening the investigation because of the Weiner discovery. The timing is a terrible look. Even if Clinton wins I'd imagine she can still be charged or impeached if concrete evidence of wrongdoing is found
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How can they have something huge on Hillary? They only just got the search warrant today.
As Holder explains, they have a policy not to take unnecessary action close to Election Day if it might influence an election's outcome.
Comey has acted contrary to their policies - at most institutions, thats a sackable offence.
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@Frank said in US Election Thread 2016:
Investigators believe it's likely the newly recovered trove will include emails that were deleted from the Clinton server before the FBI took possession of it as part of that earlier investigation.
Keep it quiet until after she is elected.
Yeah.....nah.If they have that & she's elected they can indict & she is no longer pres. If they don't have that & the go live now (as they've done) they risk swinging the election & ensuring she cannot be pres, and then going "oh, nope, there was nothing there".
They said "it's likely the newly recovered trove will include emails that were deleted from the Clinton server before the FBI took possession of it as part of that earlier investigation" I completely buy that, she calls Huma her second daughter, I'd be amazed if she had not sent personal emails to her & then deleted them, same way she deleted emails to Chelsea. Especially with Huma going through a divorce at the time. You are confusing that "likley there are emails" with "likley there are illegal emails".
That's why its is very unusual for him to go - right before the election "We MAY have something, MAYBE, we don't know, its not even from this case, but I think I should send an open letter to congress a week before the election"
You are acting like if she is voted in the FBI cannot then make a case against her. This isn't a dictatorship, she's not bulletproof Nov 9th.
Also, you & I had a discussion last week where you felt the Clinton machine had forced the FBI into not doing anything & that was a core reason she was unfit. My line was the opposite, Comey had actually not been gagged at all & had even over stepped his remit.
That still working for you? You still think the FBI & Comey have their hands tied by a shadowy evil cabal? Or was all that paranoid delusional bullshit?
Also I was off for the weekend as usual, but you wrere suggesting people listen to Stefan Molyneux -
""Molyneux argued that violence in the world is the result of how women treat their children, and that "If we could just get people to be nice to their babies for five years straight, that would be it for war, drug abuse, addiction, promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, ... Almost all would be completely eliminated, because they all arise from dysfunctional early childhood experiences, which are all run by women.""
(thats one of his most mainstream views)
Seriously man, you need to really take a closer look at the people who are driving your world view, because everyone you have posted on here is basically running / promoting a cult & exploiting the stupid, the vulnerable & mentally unstable
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Catogrande said in US Election Thread 2016:
Now Comey at the FBI is under the spotlight as he was advised by the justice department not to make the new enquiry public as it could be construed as interfering in an election.
I guess Comey really wants Clinton's guts.
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
He can be asked to resign, and probably will be I suspect. If he says no it's likely that some Dem lawmakers will push for his prosecution under the Hatch Act, which would probably make his position untenable. If found guilty the AG would be able to dismiss him.
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@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Catogrande said in US Election Thread 2016:
Now Comey at the FBI is under the spotlight as he was advised by the justice department not to make the new enquiry public as it could be construed as interfering in an election.
I guess Comey really wants Clinton's guts.
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
He can be asked to resign, and probably will be I suspect. If he says no it's likely that some Dem lawmakers will push for his prosecution under the Hatch Act, which would probably make his position untenable. If found guilty the AG would be able to dismiss him.
That's of course assuming that there is nothing to this new development and he's only done it to influence an election.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Catogrande said in US Election Thread 2016:
Now Comey at the FBI is under the spotlight as he was advised by the justice department not to make the new enquiry public as it could be construed as interfering in an election.
I guess Comey really wants Clinton's guts.
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Election Thread 2016:
@JC said in US Election Thread 2016:
My guess is that straight after the election Comey gets to offer Obama his resignation, which will be regretfully accepted.
Didn't realise this, but he has a 10-year term. I don't think he's going anywhere.
He can be asked to resign, and probably will be I suspect. If he says no it's likely that some Dem lawmakers will push for his prosecution under the Hatch Act, which would probably make his position untenable. If found guilty the AG would be able to dismiss him.
That's of course assuming that there is nothing to this new development and he's only done it to influence an election.
He may or may not have done it to influence the election (I'm not convinced he has), but if nothing comes of it the Obama administration followed by the Clinton administration will try to push him out (assuming Hillary wins)
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@Frank said in US Election Thread 2016:
@gollum
Yeah....naaahI've always wanted to be a cult leader. Thanks for the compliment bro'
To be clear, you would not be the guy telling everyone to drink the cool aid in this scenario, you're not authoring these, you are watching them & the posting them as things you now believe in
From the Daily Telegraph today (pro GOP Uk paper) -
"So Mr Comey threw all normal rules out of the window. Despite having no information about what these emails contain, and despite longstanding Justice Department policy that the FBI doesn’t make sensitive statements right before elections and never comments on ongoing investigations, Mr Comey went public. The FBI, he wrote, would “review these emails”. All hell broke loose.
Bear in mind that neither he, nor any of his staff, has yet read a single one of them and can’t do so until they obtain a court order. So the FBI’s agents have no idea whether these emails are relevant to its Clinton investigation. They don’t even know whether these emails are ones they’ve already seen among the information Ms Abedin previously handed over."
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@gollum said in US Election Thread 2016:
Bear in mind that neither he, nor any of his staff, has yet read a single one of them and can’t do so until they obtain a court order. So the FBI’s agents have no idea whether these emails are relevant to its Clinton investigation. They don’t even know whether these emails are ones they’ve already seen among the information Ms Abedin previously handed over."
You seriously think Comey had no idea as to the content of the emails.
Members of the NYPD sex crimes unit saw these emails.
People talk.
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The letter was sent before the FBI obtained the warrent to look at the emails.
No, no one in the sex crimes unit has seen those emails. If they have they can be tried &, worse, the entire case against Weiner - and any potential case against Hillary is over. I can get why you might not understand this, but no one in the FBI fails to grasp the basic chain in this.
The idea that senior FBI official read the emails without having first got a warrent (destroying the case & their career) and then told Comey, and Comey did this rather than reporting it (this destroying the case & his career), is so far out into stupidsville.. I really have no words..
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@gollum Frank never said senior FBI official read the emails and told Comey. Why don't you go and read his post again? Then read your stupid arrogant post, and apologise. Do you have the integrity to do that?
This is a direct quote from the WSJ that directly disproves what you said:
The latest development began in early October when New York-based FBI officials notified Andrew McCabe, the bureau’s second-in-command, that while investigating Mr. Weiner for possibly sending sexually charged messages to a teenage minor, they had recovered a laptop. Many of the 650,000 emails on the computer, they said, were from the accounts of Ms. Abedin, according to people familiar with the matter.Those emails stretched back years, these people said, and were on a laptop that hadn’t previously come up in the Clinton email probe. Ms. Abedin said in late August that the couple were separating.
The FBI had searched the computer while looking for child pornography, people familiar with the matter said, but the warrant they used didn’t give them authority to search for matters related to Mrs. Clinton’s email arrangement at the State Department. Mr. Weiner has denied sending explicit or indecent messages to the minor.
In their initial review of the laptop, the metadata showed many messages, apparently in the thousands, that were either sent to or from the private email server at Mrs. Clinton’s home that had been the focus of so much investigative effort for the FBI. Senior FBI officials decided to let the Weiner investigators proceed with a closer examination of the metadata on the computer, and report back to them.
At a meeting early last week of senior Justice Department and FBI officials, a member of the department’s senior national-security staff asked for an update on the Weiner laptop, the people familiar with the matter said. At that point, officials realized that no one had acted to obtain a warrant, these people said.
Mr. McCabe then instructed the email investigators to talk to the Weiner investigators and see whether the laptop’s contents could be relevant to the Clinton email probe, these people said. After the investigators spoke, the agents agreed it was potentially relevant.
Mr. Comey was given an update, decided to go forward with the case and notified Congress on Friday, with explosive results.
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