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I think Nicky Hagar should write a book about this attack, apparently people died!
especially as NZ knew about the attack prior...
•The US launched a cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces at about 12.30pm (NZT).
•The attack is in retaliation to a suspected chemical weapons attack against Syrian civilians earlier this week.
•Local Syrian governor says the missile strike resulted in deaths.
•This is the first direct attack on the Syrian government from the US.•US allies, including NZ, were notified before the attack.
•Bill English says he supports the US action.
•59 Tomahawk missiles, fired from warships in the Mediterranean Sea, targeted a Syrian air base believed to have been connected with the suspected chemical attack. -
The Middle East is farked. Assad doesn't do shit unless Putin says it's OK. Putin won't allow his man to go down
Which makes this move doubly interesting - depending entirely on who they're targeting - when Trump is Putin's rent boy.
A missile strike is a bit more token than boots on the ground. Hell of a token though....
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I thought the deal was that Iran was in control of Syria as they provide the majority of combat-ready soldiers on the ground (including Hezbollah and Shi’ite militia fighters).
It remains to be seen how effective this missile strike actually was. Trump warned Putin, who I'm sure warned Assad.
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I thought the deal was that Iran was in control of Syria as they provide the majority of combat-ready soldiers on the ground (including Hezbollah and Shi’ite militia fighters).
It remains to be seen how effective this missile strike actually was. Trump warned Putin, who I'm sure warned Assad.
The missile strike is a token but a one off attack doesn't do shit tactically
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If Trump does the whole ground invasion/regime change (Iraq) thing against Russia's wishes, then I am done with him. I hate neo-cons.
On the other hand, the whole Putin's puppet meme is being challenged severely, it contrasts with 8 years of Obama hedging and waffling, and it will send a clear message to China, Iran and North Korea.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Military intervention is not the only option.
What are the other options? Do nothing or send a really strongly worded letter?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Syria:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Military intervention is not the only option.
What are the other options? Do nothing or send a really strongly worded letter?
In bold font?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Economic sanctions, trade blockades, seizure of assets.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Economic sanctions, trade blockades, seizure of assets.
The first two can't work if Vlad holds the back door open. And vetoes any UN resolutions anyway. I don't know if Syria has many assets in the US to seize either.
Having said that I'm not sure of the next step in a strategy that involves creating enemies of both sides.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Economic sanctions, trade blockades, seizure of assets.
Isn't that what they did to Saddam after the first Gulf War? The question is how much that would affect the civilian population and also whether it would actually bring down the regime/lead to reforms in the long term. It's not like the regime has no other allies.
There are no good options in this situation, just ones that may be less catastrophic.
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If Trump does the whole ground invasion/regime change (Iraq) thing against Russia's wishes, then I am done with him. I hate neo-cons.
On the other hand, the whole Putin's puppet meme is being challenged severely, it contrasts with 8 years of Obama hedging and waffling, and it will send a clear message to China, Iran and North Korea.
It does nothing of the sort. He's commenced a missile strike against a regime utterly incapable of striking back. He even went to the trouble of advising all and sundry that he was going to conduct the strike. There would have been clarity sought and provided that the intended target had no Russian resources in attendance.
Obama's been bombing the shit out of the Middle East for the term of his presidency and nothing's changed.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
One News still refers to him as a reality TV star and not the President. It is just the usual tactics to delegitimize him.
Not entirely a good comparison. Comparing Obama's temporary job when he was little more than a kid to Trump's situation where he seemingly takes off one hat and then puts an entirely different one on. Obama already had a political career before running for president.
However I do agree that the continued lampooning of Trump has become a bit tired now. He's got the job, let him get on with it and he will either succeed or fail - or more likely be somewhere in between.
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@Catogrande said in Syria:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
One News still refers to him as a reality TV star and not the President. It is just the usual tactics to delegitimize him.
Not entirely a good comparison. Comparing Obama's temporary job when he was little more than a kid to Trump's situation where he seemingly takes off one hat and then puts an entirely different one on. Obama already had a political career before running for president.
However I do agree that the continued lampooning of Trump has become a bit tired now. He's got the job, let him get on with it and he will either succeed or fail - or more likely be somewhere in between.
Agree to disagree on that one, it is exactly the same. It is just a nonsense to lable someone by a previous job title when they have a new role. Saying Trump cannot fix the middle east because of a previous occupation? FFS.. things have retarded.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
Couple of decades as a lawyer. Four years as a senator. Eight as President.
Against Trump's wealth of political experience in.... uh...
Business isn't politics, before you start.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
Couple of decades as a lawyer. Four years as a senator. Eight as President.
Against Trump's wealth of political experience in.... uh...
Business isn't politics, before you start.
You are right.. business is far better experience than being a lawyer.
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@Catogrande said in Syria:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
One News still refers to him as a reality TV star and not the President. It is just the usual tactics to delegitimize him.
Not entirely a good comparison. Comparing Obama's temporary job when he was little more than a kid to Trump's situation where he seemingly takes off one hat and then puts an entirely different one on. Obama already had a political career before running for president.
However I do agree that the continued lampooning of Trump has become a bit tired now. He's got the job, let him get on with it and he will either succeed or fail - or more likely be somewhere in between.
It is fucking ludicrous. If Obama had bombed a Syrian airstrip.... would his job at Baskin Robbins be mentioned? The left have just collectively lost its shit.
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