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FOUR time elected Italian PM.
Alas, he was shit, but it had nothing to do with his repeatedly humping anything that moved or occasionally crossing the line into "she seems a bit young. And trafficked"
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Yeah no one here gives a shit about his wife, they don't see it as much different then a fellah with a younger model really. It wouldn't be my choice but
Fillion did bloody well considering he is currently up on charges for paying half his family public money to do bugger all. That being said Le Pen is under investigation for using European funds for her campaign and also for inciting some racist stuff, hard to keep up with exactly what with her. Didn't hurt her too much. There is a list kicking round twitter of russian twitter accounts that were all experts in US politics that have suddenly all become experts in French politics.
What is interesting is that Macron has done in 1 year what it has taken the FN 40 years to do. As of last night Melanchon was not conceding either, though not checked yet today if he has finally got the old abacus out and realised he got beat.
I think we have 1 debate now and 2 weeks till the second round. All the other candidates except Melanchon have urged their parties to support Macron. The funny thing here is we now have an investment banker and a lawyer from the richest suburb in all of France battling it out to see who can seem the most working class.
Vive le 5'ième république!
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@jegga said in French Politics:
@gollum Mike Pence calls his wife " mother".
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Given that there is a historic opportunity to elect the country's first female president, I'm sure the feminists will be strongly behind Le Pen. Or not.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in French Politics:
Given that there is a historic opportunity to elect the country's first female president, I'm sure the feminists will be strongly behind Le Pen. Or not.
I think she'd be fine from a feminist point of view wouldn't she? And a lot do genuinely sem to be backing her.
Its only in the states being hard right means you also hate women. Her father thought women were for breeding & cooking but shes "normal". Theres no banning abortion, pulling all funding for smear tests ec that the right in the US runs on.
Same deal with Theresa May, you can run right & not try take away basic female rights, in the US they just choose not to.
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@gollum said in French Politics:
Its only in the states being hard right means you also hate women.
Well that is some grade 'A' bullshit straight from the far left wing activist handbook.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I didn't realise you'd been banned RS. Chapeau!
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@Catogrande said in French Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I didn't realise you'd been banned RS. Chapeau!
You must have been offline those days. When you get banned you get a rather large red "banned" banner beside every one of your posts.
All I can say is don't mess with this mod. I won't reveal his name only that he likes KFC and horses
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in French Politics:
@Catogrande said in French Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I didn't realise you'd been banned RS. Chapeau!
You must have been offline those days. When you get banned you get a rather large red "banned" banner beside every one of your posts.
All I can say is don't mess with this mod. I won't reveal his name only that he likes KFC and horses
to be fair, isn't that like, everyone?
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@mariner4life No.
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Le Pen has been caught plagiarizing a speech from Fillion. She is saying it was an homage to his remarks.
Oh and the guy who stepped up to take her spot as head of the FN lasted 3 days before having to step down to defend some mild holocaust denial from 2000.
Also the EU is now clipping her Salary saying she has 5 million to pay back that was used illegally.
Debate tomorrow night. The Russians are running out of time to get anything on Macron. Not that they are not trying apparently. Here in Paris I am constantly been giving flyers for Macron, but nothing for Le Pen. Not sure if its because of where I work and live or if she has given up on the western suburbs.
Polls holding firm with Macron showing a 20% lead.
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@mooshld As someone in France can you give us some insight into these candidates? Not speaking French and not trusting many of the articles I read makes things a little complicated to understand. Is Le Pen really an overt racist or is she really more of a Trump like figure? I understand Macron is pretty centrist but that he is trying to court the leftist vote. Is there any chance the polls could be wrong and we could have a surprise Le Pen victory or are French people generally outright happy to say they support Le Pen in public? Those protests today looked horrendous, setting police on fire the new strategy to fight fascism, will be sad to see that catch on around the world.
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Well its complicated. First lets get this out there. Neither of them are working class. Le Pen is born into a political dynasty. While Macron had doctors for parents.Le Pen is in my view not really a Trump like figure, she is a lawyer that spent her career working for her Father as head of the FN. I think its safe to say there is not much debate about the fact her father is a anti-semite and a racist. But this is the internet so I am sure someone will be along soon to dispute that. A few years back she ousted him from the party in an attempt to distance the party from the personality. They allegedly don't speak much since all that. I think the media paint her like Trump due to some of the shared policy ideas, but personality and background wise they could not be more different. People will say they support Le Pen but usually caveat it with they want a change from the normal big parties.
Marcon, frames himself as ni droit, ni gauche (Neither left or right) His past kind of reflects this he worked for the Rothschild investment bank. Allegedly did very well then chucked it all in to become an adviser to the socialist government. He worked in the ministry of Finance and hated how inefficient it all was. So started his own movement. It has only been around for 1 year. At the start it was just a website with not much information. Just before the first round they released a manifesto. It has some things to appeal to both sides but is pretty light on detail. He is a bit like Trump in that he has never held any elected office. I'm not really sure if he is a centrist he hates that title apparently, or generally does not care about the political spectrum as he claims and just wants to take the best ideas and try and make them work.
The protests here in Paris were not really about the election, they were may day protests, we have them every year. All the big unions here, and some are massive. Have huge marches in Paris for labour day and normally some rebel rouses use it as cover to start some shit.
Its been an interesting few days here Le Pen is all about this outsider image and she has probably taken it a bit too far. While Macron probably needs to be seen as more of an outsider.
An example was Macron went to Amiens where Whirlpool are due to mothball a factory. They already have the replacement online in Poland so its a done deal. Macron went and met with the owners and the union to try and figure out a way they could reuse the factory or protect some of the jobs. Le Pen showed up as well and had an impromptu rally in the car park with the workers, promising to force them to keep the factory open. Then tried to enter the factory only to be turned away. It all looked very dramatic but the truth is she never told them she was even coming so had no meetings booked. The owners were on the news saying they would have been happy to speak to her if she would just call to plan a time.
Can she win? Umm if the polls are wrong they have to be wrong by 20% I am not a polling expert but the ones on TV say her best chance would be absenteeism. and a lot of it.
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@booboo said in French Politics:
@mooshld said in French Politics:
Polls holding firm with Macron showing a 20% lead.
Polls, schmolls.
A cynic might say "it's not even close" ...
They were out by half a % in the run off vote.
Biggest polling error in the US election was around 9% in one state, on average the error was around 3-4% in states they missed. In the big states it was tighter, polls had Clinton winning Florida by 0.7% (not 7%, 0.7%), she lost by 2%. Thats pretty standard error. Nationally the polls got it about right, they had her by 2-3, she won the (meaningless) popular by 2-3
So 20% does feel um.. unclose
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