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This has to be Trump's fault surely.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Erdogan in the US:
This has to be Trump's fault surely.
For invbiting a brutal dictator who has imprisoned anyone who disagrees with him & jailed reporters? Next you'll be saying inviting Duterte to the white house is a bad move too. Still his agressive condemnation of the attack was welcome
On the flip side it appears the Washington cops don't give a shit about politics, much like the rest of US law enforcement thankfully.
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Trouble with this stuff is that the Turks (or whoever, like say, France in 1987), drag their feet and perhaps, just perhaps, stump up some patsy and say he's/they've been punished and then it all dies away again
Despot studies 101 - take no shit from anyone and pretend to placate the paymaster. Eerdogan won't give two stuffs about this
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@gollum said in Erdogan in the US:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Erdogan in the US:
This has to be Trump's fault surely.
For invbiting a brutal dictator who has imprisoned anyone who disagrees with him & jailed reporters? Next you'll be saying inviting Duterte to the white house is a bad move too. Still his agressive condemnation of the attack was welcome
On the flip side it appears the Washington cops don't give a shit about politics, much like the rest of US law enforcement thankfully.
It's straight out bizzare to pin this on anyone other than the thugs who perpetrated it and the people organising them.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
They should be prosecuted, but they likely wont be, but they wouldnt have been under Obama, Bush or Clinton either.
Besides the general diplomatic immunity around these types of events, you mean?
I assume they cannot all have that.
If they have entered the country on diplomatic passports then by default they are afforded dip status under the Vienna Convention. It is usual for the entourage around a leader to travel on dip passports.
The local cops would probably have been made aware of this when sent to the protest and although it doesn't mean they gave Erdogan's guys a free reign it would have probably confused their dealing with the situation.
Cops don't usually know the ins and outs of the Vienna convention, they just know it exists and look to their superiors for advice while being careful not to cross any lines.
I'm not sure of the layout of where that took place but the police are not allowed to cross the boundary premise of a dip mission and are obliged to protect it.
Shit position for these cops to be in and I would think plenty of them were just as disgusted by what was happening as watchers of the video are. It wasn't expected and they certainly weren't prepared for it.
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@gollum Yes, you were banned for that, you had already been warned. It was discussed at the time and you were on your last warning for such behavior, it is a blatantly dishonest method of discussing a topic and derails entire discussions, you have done this on numerous occasions to numerous people and the moderators got sick of it.
You will continue to be banned if you continue to do it. If you want to apportion a position to someone, quote them.
Others dont have to be so careful because nobody else has a track record of using such dishonesty as a debate tool.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
All future posts about your discussing moderation on the fern will also be removed, as has always been the policy.
I just deleted all of the off topic bollocks
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Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
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@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
Virtue Signalling.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Erdogan in the US:
@Siam said in Erdogan in the US:
Heard a comment today by Chris Ryan and Mike Shermer musing that in these more recent secular times that politics in the US has replaced the role of religion in terms of polarising people and the lengths folks will go to get their point across.
I think it rings true in that: "My politician/god is better than your politician/god because I say so...yadda yadda yadda"
Particularly apt when comparing same god religions like catholics and protestants etc (I think they have the same core god don't they?)Got me to thinking what are people trying to prove....?
Virtue Signalling.
I honestly have no idea what that means but thanks for writing to me.
Given your insights on here for about a decade, forgive me if I interpret that as derogatory or condescending to me
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