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so right now, the Greens are deciding if they accept Whinny's terms? hahahaha
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
so right now, the Greens are deciding if they accept Whinny's terms? hahahaha
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is amusing how all the headlines say Winston has picked Labour, which is wrong, he picked Labour and Greens.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan maybe something he and Shaw could do together, to bond!
Shaw is claiming today is a momentous day for the Greens. Whaaattt? Frozen out of government by a hated rival? Spurned by the party with which you had a special arrangement up to 6 weeks of the election?
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This is what I like about NZ politics:
Asked if he felt robbed given National had secured the highest vote, English said it was MMP and the result was "a legitimate and fair result of the election campaign. We certainly accept it and I'm sure New Zealanders will".
However, he said it was likely many of National's supporters would have believed National should form the government.
"It's an unusual result for MMP - there's probably not been a party anywhere in the world that got 44 per cent of the vote and didn't win the election. But we all know the rules, we campaign according to those results."With all the talk about voter fraud and stealing elections over here in the States, it is a refreshing change. Politicians need to set a better example of showing that accepting losses are also part of a democracy.
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I think English gave a very statesman like speech - enriched by genuine emotion when he talked about sharing the election campaign with his family.
Adern also spoke very well, although I am still waiting for to actually say something.
Winnie and Shaw - not so much.
It all hinges on the economy. Winnie got his excuses in early but if he is right and there is an economic shock - then a one term govt is almost a given.
If Adern/Robertson lead an incremental govt like Clark/Cullen then as Hooroo says so what?
The govt has generated a heap of expectations and there are going to be a lot of people disappointed in the messiah because while there was clearly no 11 Billion hole also clearly there isn't the money for all the promises.
I wish them well. The next 12 mths will be very interesting. If at the end of that period it looks like they are delivering on a substantial number of promises then National will fracture and English will be rolled and Nats will lose in 2020. If the govt are looking weak the Nats will unify around English and he will win next time.
In the govt's favour is Winnie's legacy. I reckon he will reign in his arrogance and disruptiveness because he doesn't want to be seen as contributing to the defeat of 4 governments.
the Greens hahahahahahahahahaha
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Sweet, Labour got in and now they are giving me a day off on Monday, that's how you win votes!!
I read last night that the new Govt. will face the largest opposition in history of NZ Govt.
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@taniwharugby Mainly because our parliament is bigger than it was in FPP days
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
I read last night that the new Govt. will face the largest opposition in history of NZ Govt.
and a health, opposition, still connected into ministries and media. They should do a better job than Labour at holding the government to account.
Criticism is easy. Doing things is where you start to tread on toes, leaks happen, etc... and there is no bottomless pit of money either.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
I read last night that the new Govt. will face the largest opposition in history of NZ Govt.
The New Zealand public?
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
I read last night that the new Govt. will face the largest opposition in history of NZ Govt.
Criticism is easy. Doing things is where you start to tread on toes, leaks happen, etc... and there is no bottomless pit of money either.
Yup. Just ask the Republicans in the US, haha.
It is going to be bloody interesting in the next 12 months. Again, the hyperbole going out on Twitter etc is outrageous - some saying a giant victory for women and girls or some such shit. Exactly how they figure this I'm sure I don't know. If Labour had swept to power and could govern alone, absolutely. Forced to be a three party coalition with a highly inexperienced leader...not so much.
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@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
I see the odious Cameron Slater is predictably continuing to blame Bill English for the election result in his comments section. English could turn water into wine and Slater would whine it was the wrong vintage...
English needed to distance himself from Key's disastrous immigration policy of the last four years. Instead, National refused to even discuss it (the most important policy change in recent history!), and further they were happy to propagate the inane practice of labelling anyone who did as racist.
He ran on a "business as usual" platform, when that platform was becoming increasingly unpopular. Key's policies got them there, but English did nothing to change direction.
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@tim said in NZ Politics:
@donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
I see the odious Cameron Slater is predictably continuing to blame Bill English for the election result in his comments section. English could turn water into wine and Slater would whine it was the wrong vintage...
English needed to distance himself from Key's disastrous immigration policy of the last four years. Instead, National refused to even discuss it (the most important policy change in recent history!), and further they were happy to propagate the inane practice of labelling anyone who did as racist.
He ran on a "business as usual" platform, when that platform was becoming increasingly unpopular. Key's policies got them there, but English did nothing to change direction.
They sleepwalked through the final term and paid the price. The other major problem was the loss of UF and The Maori Party (assuming they would have gone with National again). The two major goals should be bringing in a new generation of MPs to combat PM Stardust and fostering a party who could become a future coalition partner
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