Tauranga Bella Vista Situation
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And the cost of buying the houses plus the extensive legal costs of this have just been dumped on Taurangas ratepayers .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12065714
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@jegga said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
And the cost of buying the houses plus the extensive legal costs of this have just been dumped on Taurangas ratepayers .
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The Council are wearing the cost of not meeting their legal obligations under the Building Act and permitting houses to be built that are not safe to occupy.
When cockups liek this occur, no one comes out ahead. It's going to be $10M for Council, which is the thick end of a hundred bucks a household I'd say. Expensive stuff up.
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@nzzp said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@jegga said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
And the cost of buying the houses plus the extensive legal costs of this have just been dumped on Taurangas ratepayers .
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The Council are wearing the cost of not meeting their legal obligations under the Building Act and permitting houses to be built that are not safe to occupy.
When cockups liek this occur, no one comes out ahead. It's going to be $10M for Council, which is the thick end of a hundred bucks a household I'd say. Expensive stuff up.
Unfortunately the council aren’t really wearing anything, the ratepayers are being stuck with the tab for this . It’d be interesting to know where Cancian got a hold of $1.3 million in cash .
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@mokey they will have insurance, I doubt it has changed but there is an Insurer for all the councils (set up by the Govt originally I believe)
But as above, if it comes back to faulty products the council were not aware of, then that wont be on the concils insurer, but will inevitably fall to rate payers to foot the bill as these shonky developers no doubt just go bankrupt and start again in another guise somewhere else.
The developers should have thier own cover as well, as do the designers, architects, builders etc...but then that would have meant the council did thier due diligence making sure contractors had the appropriate cover too.
The exposure to risk on a large development it just mind boggling
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@taniwharugby Yep. And it especially doesn't help if the council employee signing off the consents got a cut price deal with the developer for a house. Jesus.
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@mokey said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@taniwharugby Yep. And it especially doesn't help if the council employee signing off the consents got a cut price deal with the developer for a house. Jesus.
that looks really bad. Declared, but still looks really bad.
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@taniwharugby said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@hooroo properties have been condemned due to being unsafe, so I guess they will require work costing more ratepayer $$$ to get them to be safe, or need to be flattened?
But haven't they since passed Geo tests etc?
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@hooroo said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@taniwharugby said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@hooroo properties have been condemned due to being unsafe, so I guess they will require work costing more ratepayer $$$ to get them to be safe, or need to be flattened?
But haven't they since passed Geo tests etc?
Most of them will be sold at a profit IMO.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@hooroo said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@taniwharugby said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@hooroo properties have been condemned due to being unsafe, so I guess they will require work costing more ratepayer $$$ to get them to be safe, or need to be flattened?
But haven't they since passed Geo tests etc?
Most of them will be sold at a profit IMO.
What an absolute shafting. The current owners should receive the net profit after associated costs to get them to a fit for purpose state.
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surely any agreement should include if the Council profits from re-sale?
I am pretty naïve though...
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@taniwharugby said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@hooroo it is where the land is prone to flooding, stability etc.
Think on older properties is a section 36 (will show on your Certificate of Title)
All it means is that when you build you have to get a Engineers report to show that what you are doing and how the risk will be mitigated.
Of particular note is many coastal properties now have to be built at a higher than normal ground level due to global warming and rising seas.
It is far worse then that, basically you cannot insure your land and cannot get a mortgage, also mos builders wont touch it.
Even having an engineers report is pretty meaningless. Sure you could build then (if you find a builder who can get insurance to cover him), but you wont be able to get finance or insurance on your property. And that means you could def never sell it.
The guy who tried to do it to ours had an argument that because it ran beside a river, it could flood... ok... but the river had banks of over 3 metres and was a looong (600-700 metres) away from the house .... and was on raised ground on a hillside... literally 95% of Tga would have been underwater before we even noticed the river was up. We had 3 geo techs explain this to him, he ignored them. Then we had a geologist do a water mapping to explain it, he ignored her. (all at our cost), eventually we had to bundle all that up and send it to the lawyers to start proceedings against the council. His bosses (he is technically a contractor form another firm) very quickly went WTF? And told him to pull his head out of his ass. yay... except it had cost a lot of time and money,
Now this is the same dickwad who decided that all 20 f those families had to quickly get out of the houses before a storm..... storm came, nothing happened. Many other storms came.. nothing has happened. Meanwhile him and his firm keep invoicing for the supposed issues.Keep in mind Tga had had lashing of bad weather the last 6 months.. and all those houses are fine.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback yeah half of Whangarei is on low-medium instability land, but are no restrictions noted on the COT.
My house, out of town, is an area that was not mapped when the COuncil had a city wide Geo & Flood Mapping done, so isn't subject to anything.
Many insurers are fine, just need to know what to tell them, some impose specific excesses (ie higher for flood in a flood zone)
I was looking at a build contract for someone for a million dollar home in a 'flood zone' next to the tidal town basin area (which hasn't flooded, despite all the rain we have had) and the Geo report has them requiring huge pilings and the floor level be raised 1m above the datum point.