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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@crucial said in British Politics:
You didn't make it difficult, I just wondered why I was being approached by a microphone in the street asking for an opinion on something.
Now I'm being questioned on why I disagree with the interviewers opinion.
It's borderline trolling, but I'll take it as baiting.I haven't watched the posted video as I can't at the moment and google searches aren't coming up with any detail. I'm happy to read anything you can supply as fact around what has happened.
You offered a very contrarian opinion to the vast majority of posters and I was interested to hear your views on the latest development. I'm not sure how that's trolling in any way shape or form. The only thing weird is the way you're responding to a perfectly reasonable and legitimate question.
Watch the video if you want the info, he puts it on screen.
Ha! Entering these threads is like walking into an evangelist church and trying to explain about sky fairies. Pretty easy to be a contrary opinion to other posters.
My original comment was about the conspiracy theories around MSM.
What is wrong with the way I am responding? I am answering your questions around a topic I didn't directly approach and doing so in a clear and unemotive manner. Would you rather I started some name calling and making sweeping statements?
I also explained that I can't watch the video at the moment or did that part skip past you? As I said, I'm happy to read detail about the latest development and make additional comment. I just can't find any at the moment.
Crucial I simply asked for your view about the latest Dankula ruling. If you get a chance to see the video then fine. If not, then fine also. I'm not sure why you're losing your head over it.
I watched it. My take is pretty much as I guessed in the earlier post. This is now about dick waving bureaucracy. The summary that he showed basically just reiterated the original ruling without assessing its validity then spent ages ripping into his defence for daring to question the law. It does sound a bit like his defence has riled up the establishment in the manner they presented the case and the establishment now won't back down.
Evidence of stupid bureaucracy, yes. Evidence of some overall govt clamp down on free speech, no.PS: from that document it sounds like his lawyer 'threatened' the sheriff with the fact that they had gathered money to appeal should he rule guilty. Pretty dumb thing to do (if that was the manner of what he said) and has probably got all the old farts at the courts up in arms.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
@catogrande said in British Politics:
@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?
An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.
The guy is a fluffybunny. And all the ones not denouncing it.
Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.
Stupid.
But why is he held to a different account from other people?
He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.
Maybe it the the way other people are held to account that is the issue? Maybe ordinary people are so bullied that they cannot say things like this?
Oh they say them. And then they get fired.
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@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
@catogrande said in British Politics:
@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?
An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.
The guy is a fluffybunny. And all the ones not denouncing it.
Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.
Stupid.
But why is he held to a different account from other people?
He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.
Maybe it the the way other people are held to account that is the issue? Maybe ordinary people are so bullied that they cannot say things like this?
Oh they say them. And then they get fired.
Only by fluffybunnies.
Rowan Atkinson thinks the joke is funny.. And effective
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@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
@catogrande said in British Politics:
@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
Nothing on BoJo's latest fuck up?
An ordinary citizen would have been fired from their job for way less than that shit.
The guy is a fluffybunny. And all the ones not denouncing it.
Not sure about this Mike. Should someone be be denounced for something so puerile? Should he perhaps be ridiculed? More so the latter I believe. I'm really not one for getting too offended about some flippant comment and happy to see such a comment be judged on what it is.
Stupid.
But why is he held to a different account from other people?
He wasn't debating the issue when he let forth.
Maybe it the the way other people are held to account that is the issue? Maybe ordinary people are so bullied that they cannot say things like this?
Oh they say them. And then they get fired.
Only by fluffybunnies.
Rowan Atkinson thinks the joke is funny.. And effective
Awesome by Atkinson. I could be wrong but I think he was quite vocal in the 90's the last time this insanity raised it's ugly head. Glad he is speaking out now.
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Terror incident in Londo. From The Times:
Parliament crash: counterterrorism police arrest man after car crashes into barrier at Westminster
August 14 2018, 8:20am,
Armed police respond to parliament car crash
Armed police have arrested a man after a car crashed into a security barrier outside the Palace of Westminster just after 7.30am today, injuring cyclists and pedestrians.Dozens of officers were seen to surround the smoking vehicle and handcuff a man dressed in jeans and a black jacket before leading him away. The Metropolitan Police said that no one was believed to be in a life-threatening condition.
Much of the area was locked down as police cars continued to arrive at the scene at Old Palace Yard.
Footage shared on social media showed paramedics tending to cyclists who had been knocked over.Witnesses said that the car knocked several cyclists from their bicycles and paramedics could be seen tending to several people at the junction of Parliament Square and Abingdon Street, which leads to the barrier where the car crashed.
One bystander, Jason Williams, said that no other vehicles were involved. “Basically I’ve seen a man driving a vehicle, and he’s gone into one of the bollards. There was a loud bang,” he told Good Morning Britain on ITV. “I didn’t see anyone else involved.” He put the car’s speed at about 40-50mph.
Ewalina Ochab told the Press Association that the car, which appeared to be a silver Ford hatchback, was driving “at speed and towards the barriers”, possibly on the pavement. “I think it looked intentional,” she added.
A Terrorism Act cordon extended through much of Whitehall and included Parliament Square and Downing Street.
Scotland Yard said: “At 07:37hrs today, a car was in collision with barriers outside the Houses of Parliament.
“The male driver of the car was detained by officers at the scene. We await an update on their condition, however officers do not believe that anyone is in a life-threatening condition.
“Officers remain at the scene and cordons are in place to assist the investigation.”
Scotland Yard said that counterterrorism detectives were leading the investigation but officers are “keeping an open mind” about motive. Two people were treated at the scene and taken to hospital, according to the London Ambulance Service. The injuries are not believed to be serious.
The Houses of Parliament are in recess until September 4. Westminster underground station was closed.
Steel and concrete barriers surround the palace and security measures were extended after a vehicle attack in March last year, when Khalid Masood drove into a crowd on Westminster Bridge, killing four people. He abandoned the car and stabbed to death Keith Palmer, an unarmed police officer.
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@jc Although not a large one, first incident since I've lived here.
I'm not sure if it's a good, or a bad thing, that nobody in the office is really talking about it. It's on the TV's in the background at work, but isn't really generating a ripple.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@jc Although not a large one, first incident since I've lived here.
I'm not sure if it's a good, or a bad thing, that nobody in the office is really talking about it. It's on the TV's in the background at work, but isn't really generating a ripple.
So far it is (rightly) being treated as a terror incident. Doesn't mean it is one.
Was a pain in the ass this morning though as a huge chunk of real estate was cordoned off right where I ride through. The Counter Terrorism bunch were out in force, vans and darkened SUVS honing around. Soft cordons set up all over the place as well, even as far as key entry/exit points in Hyde Park.
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A thought just crossed my mind though. These incidents are getting closer and closer to me and I probably need to bail before our paths cross.
The prior Westminster one was simply on a day I was in town. Not an area I frequent at that time of day.
The Borough Market one was at a time I wasn't around but at a place I had been sitting only a week before.
This latest one was a car ploughing through cyclists at a set of traffic lights right where I myself ride and wait every morning. So just the timing was out.
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@crucial said in British Politics:
A thought just crossed my mind though. These incidents are getting closer and closer to me and I probably need to bail before our paths cross.
The prior Westminster one was simply on a day I was in town. Not an area I frequent at that time of day.
The Borough Market one was at a time I wasn't around but at a place I had been sitting only a week before.
This latest one was a car ploughing through cyclists at a set of traffic lights right where I myself ride and wait every morning. So just the timing was out.
Follow me around if you want to be on the spot for the next one...I had a similar pattern with flights for a while... every time I landed after a long-haul flight, I'd see news about an aircraft crashing, or being shot-down over Ukraine, or just straight-up disappearing.
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@Crucial Only the one incident for me but dodgy as fuck. Two years ago the Cato family were off on holiday to Corsica, driving down through France and getting the ferry from Nice. On the Thursday we changed our plans and decided to cut short the car journey that evening as it had been a long day. So we stayed in Uzes instead of going all the way to Nice as originally planned. Thank God we did as we would likely have been wandering around the seafront in a post dinner haze when that nutjob went ploughing through all those people. It was still chaos the next day with the main road closed, the secondary one under repair which was also home to the hospital...
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@bones said in British Politics:
@crucial it seems I'm following you around. I was at London Bridge the day before borough and out in Kensington today, which brought me through Westminster tube.
Stalker alert!
I was about an hour and a half out this morning, but even then it kind of proves my theory about whether to be worried about these things. Even if I was there around that time you wait at those lights for 30 seconds max, sometimes even ride straight through. Being there at that exact window of time would be pretty poor luck.
The driver obviously had a plan to try and bust that barrier arm. The way those traffic lights sequence he would have been blocked at a red light in the direction he was going so basically took a detour around the small traffic island onto the wrong side of the road and through the cyclists waiting in the 'bike box' there so he could get a runup.
If nothing else the bloke did very well to get up to 50mph in central London.My theory is that he is some disgruntled individual that lost the plot over a personal issue. No organised or semi-organised terrorism at all.
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@bones said in British Politics:
@crucial yup. Ford Focus doesn't strike me as the best barrier arm buster.
Probably remembered too many movies where those things fly into the air at the slightest hit.
Didn't realise they are steel reinforced and super strong. Made to stop way more than a Ford Focus.Now, if you really wanted to get past them you need to do the old 'slide a motorbike at speed underneath' trick, then flick back up onto two wheels and zoom off before getting shot. I've seen it in the movies so it must be feasible.
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Sad to see in London today but guess it was only a matter of time.
A guy I follow has the following update, will it prove true?
"Prediction - today's terrorist attack will be blamed on Boris Johnson and the "far-right" for their "racist" remarks about the burka and Muslims.
This will make coward politicians suggest tighter hate speech laws, in order to not offend the people who want to murder us.
We'll bend over the table and voluntarily unzip."
Anyway onto something more colourful....
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@rembrandt That is just spiteful and petty. What a splendid use of police time and resource.
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@rembrandt said in British Politics:
A guy I follow has the following update, will it prove true?
"Prediction - today's terrorist attack will be blamed on Boris Johnson and the "far-right" for their "racist" remarks about the burka and Muslims.
This will make coward politicians suggest tighter hate speech laws, in order to not offend the people who want to murder us.
We'll bend over the table and voluntarily unzip."
I really can't see it. The video on the beeb shows the "attack" and it's pretty pathetic. Looks like a mindless brain snap for me.
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@majorrage Looks like the Independent are trying to take that angle, guess we'll see how the story develops.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rembrandt said in British Politics:
A guy I follow has the following update, will it prove true?
"Prediction - today's terrorist attack will be blamed on Boris Johnson and the "far-right" for their "racist" remarks about the burka and Muslims.
This will make coward politicians suggest tighter hate speech laws, in order to not offend the people who want to murder us.
We'll bend over the table and voluntarily unzip."
I really can't see it. The video on the beeb shows the "attack" and it's pretty pathetic. Looks like a mindless brain snap for me.
It does look that way but the police have to take a stronger line initially.
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