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But seriously though I think if they were going to roll May they would have done it by now, surely they won't be waiting until the final deal? Corbyn government it might just be, along with a massive Brexit mess.
Despite this it seems the economy is improving.
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@rembrandt said in Brexit:
My optimistic prediction.
- Dream team tell the EU go go $%#^% themselves
It has been tried already. The EU called the bluff. A no-deal Brexit is the reality that the UK are now realising is going to be a disaster.
This is what happens when you allow people to vote on an ideology without a plan.
The concept that the UK can just 'walk away' is great if they are loaded with cash and have put all the appropriate change strategy in place but there was no strategy. It was all hot air.
I totally get that the EU is a bureaucratic mess and that people would want out. I also get that some people will never have as strong a 'community' view as others and want to 'look after themselves'. My disbelief about Brexit is that such an important change never had a plan, or even a set of clear requirements. The only requirement is that the leave vote was slightly higher than the remain one. The majority voted a desire to leave. They left it up to the squabbling idiots (held hostage by a small group of backward thinking minority MPs) to work out how to do it without negatively affecting their lives. The leave campaign said it would be easy (and still does) while ignoring the realities of trade, commerce, Northern Ireland and the makeup of the workforce in society.
Whether you agree with the ideals or not there was never going to be a quick and easy way out of Europe and a change required careful planning.What Jo Johnson (and others) are advocating is that neither a 'no deal' situation OR the proposals May puts up are what people envisaged when they voted in the referendum and that either a halt to the process should be called or a vote be taken on whatever deal is finalised.
It is a crazy clusterfuck of generation changing importance based on a simply worded referendum with no plan behind it.
May can't be rolled by her own party unless by a group that has the support of the DUP. Those that think the hardline Brexiteers will do better than May are totally ignoring the NI border issue. This is the very real sticking point and the one area that the EU can say 'can't have your cake and eat it guys, what will it be?'.
A new election not only carries the very real threat of a Corbyn govt dragging the UK back into 1970, but will likely strengthen the DUP who will campaign heavily on 'no border' -
A reasonable article about the situation
I think this comment after the article hits on a solution that deserves exploring.
No matter how long we had to think about the Irish question. there is no rational answer. There either has to be a policed border between North and South, or in the Irish Sea; neither of which are acceptable. Jo Johnson is right - we find ourselves between the proverbial rock and hard place. The only alternative seems to be going back, tail between legs and staying in. But isn't there another alternative, which would allow all to come out with dignity in tact, which is to say we will withdraw Article 50 and stay in, at the top table, but only if the conditions of our membership are significantly improved ... insert your own list of rule changes and vetoes here. This is surely a really good moment to renegotiate our membership on our terms. And then let's go back to the people and see which route they favour.
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Brexit in many ways is a catastrophic fuck up, but I share the view of others that the EU not the long term position of strength that it portrays itself to be. To be frank, rich countries working together under one umbrealla of terms, works fine. Poorer countries, probably too. But not wealthy and poor. Free movement of people between UK & Romania ... hardly going to be a two-way trade is it.
But I'm really bored of Boris Johnson. He's got this ideal that nobody in Europe will ever agree to, and seems to have just forgotten about the land border with Ireland. He's talking tough, but just coming across like a floppy haired buffoon.
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@majorrage said in Brexit:
Not for the first time, the daily mash has nailed it.
I liked the next story better:
THE finalised Brexit deal imposes full EU rules on Northern Ireland, changes its official language to Flemish, bans religion and renames it West Belgium.
The deal also creates a 190-mile tidal barrier down the length of the Irish Sea which UK citizens can only cross via a customs point on the Isle of Man but EU citizens can pass through wherever they like.
EU negotiator Michel Barnier said: “I don’t think anyone can have any problem with this.
“In Belfast, or New Bruges, we’ll eliminate sectarian divides with automated drones set to destroy all religious texts and recite the 800 pages of regulations against it to any attempted practitioners.
“An 800ft Manneken Pis in Ghent II, formerly Derry, will provide all drinking water for the region which is not anything the natives could be insulted by, and we’ll house the auxiliary European Parliament on the site of the bulldozed Stormont.
“The colours orange and green will be banned, as will the colours red, white and blue. But there’ll still be a Royal family. I’m sure you’ll really take to King Philippe.”
DUP leader Arlene Foster said: “On reflection, maybe we could accept a little compromise.”
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I'm honestly confused by wtf is going on.
The political shenanigans are the primary driver with the details being secondary.Where it appears to have landed (so far) is an interim situation so that May can declare that she triggered the exit as per the wishes of the people but has now negotiated a much longer period to actually make change.
On the face of it this is reasonable as they had no plan, no idea and no research/ analysis done when the vote came in.Looking back, the sensible and logical thing to do would have been to accept the result, tell the voters that this is going to require careful planning and put the EU on notice that once the UK had worked out what it actually wanted
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