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May’s dance of desperation isn’t finding any partners. Europe is preparing for a no deal exit.
Europe entrenched in the position of “this is the best possible deal, take it or leave it” which would have been their plan all along. Negotiate a crap deal then give UK the option to back out.
The no deal exit is not supported in parliament either and anyone claiming they could get a better deal is dreaming.
Options remaining are a second referendum, a new election and pass the poison chalice to Labour or a no deal exit.
My money is on a second referendum as the only way out, although I have no idea what the question is. A two part question seems to be the best option. -
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We want to get out. Please let us get out
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May’s dance of desperation isn’t finding any partners. Europe is preparing for a no deal exit.
Europe entrenched in the position of “this is the best possible deal, take it or leave it” which would have been their plan all along. Negotiate a crap deal then give UK the option to back out.
The no deal exit is not supported in parliament either and anyone claiming they could get a better deal is dreaming.
Options remaining are a second referendum, a new election and pass the poison chalice to Labour or a no deal exit.
My money is on a second referendum as the only way out, although I have no idea what the question is. A two part question seems to be the best option.A second referendum is not the only way out though. I would argue that no deal is the best way out. If the EU actually cared about the people of Europe, they would be doing everything they can to make Brexit painless, but they are not. A no deal Brexit would really hurt the EU as well.
But the EU bureaucrats dont care about people. they only care about power, the way they are behaving is all the proof you need that the UK needs to get out before it is to late. -
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No deal all the way for me (from the safety of Australia with my UK pension transferred to NZ and my UK bank accounts emptied). Bring on the chaos!
Things will work out, it will hurt for a while and will take time and it means the UK is going to actually have to treat papa Trump with due respect. The alternative in my mind is a much scarier prospect, the end of democracy in Britain.
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@rembrandt said in Brexit:
No deal all the way for me (from the safety of Australia with my UK pension transferred to NZ and my UK bank accounts emptied). Bring on the chaos!
Things will work out, it will hurt for a while and will take time and it means the UK is going to actually have to treat papa Trump with due respect. The alternative in my mind is a much scarier prospect, the end of democracy in Britain.
End of democracy? What bollocks.
As for the “hurt for a while” situation, yep it will certainly be a while and how does bowing to papa Trump provide the sovereignty the people wanted? He’s hardly Mr free trade and will have all the negotiating power over a desperate GB.
I’m not that averse to Brexit if that is what people want, just think it is really stupid to go about it in the way it has happened and the way some dreamers seem to think will be fine.
What on earth was wrong with telling Europe that when we are ready we will trigger article 50 instead of setting a timetable that put all the power with them? -
@rembrandt said in Brexit:
No deal all the way for me (from the safety of Australia with my UK pension transferred to NZ and my UK bank accounts emptied). Bring on the chaos!
Things will work out, it will hurt for a while and will take time and it means the UK is going to actually have to treat papa Trump with due respect. The alternative in my mind is a much scarier prospect, the end of democracy in Britain.
End of democracy? What bollocks.
As for the “hurt for a while” situation, yep it will certainly be a while and how does bowing to papa Trump provide the sovereignty the people wanted? He’s hardly Mr free trade and will have all the negotiating power over a desperate GB.
I’m not that averse to Brexit if that is what people want, just think it is really stupid to go about it in the way it has happened and the way some dreamers seem to think will be fine.
What on earth was wrong with telling Europe that when we are ready we will trigger article 50 instead of setting a timetable that put all the power with them?Too late to talk about the way it should have been handled.
It’s a real turning point for Britain, the next 3 months. I have other options if it gets really bad, although I’m more optimistic than most.
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@rembrandt said in Brexit:
@crucial It is very much in the US interest to help Britain here and I'm sure on a personal level Trump would really love to get one over German Hillary.
And Britain are experts at negotiating deals.....
Good luck to British farmers looking for access to the US.
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So you go to another referendum and the people vote leave again? What do you do then? Continue the grand tradition of the EU and just ignore the vote or continue until they get the result they want?
Other than the pathetic screams of certain remoaners the biggest idiots here are the Tories. They went to an election promising a vote (albeit cynically to kneecap UKIP) and should have had a plan in place in the event of a yes vote. At the very least they could have handed the process over to Brexiteers rather than have the process controlled by a staunch remainder. Let the Brexiteers put up or shut up.
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@rembrandt said in Brexit:
@crucial It is very much in the US interest to help Britain here and I'm sure on a personal level Trump would really love to get one over German Hillary.
And Britain are experts at negotiating deals.....
Good luck to British farmers looking for access to the US.
This is one of the more absurd arguments - that there is no one in Britain who is able to negotiate deals. No apparently, the entire nation is fucked without some Spanish guy who is the only person in the world who can make it all happen. What a complete load of crap. There may be compelling reasons for remaining with the EU but that is definitely not one of them.
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Seriously, for those advocating no deal, what’s your plan for Northern Ireland?
Soft Border with the extra protections described in the link. Make it public that is Britains intention, if the EU kick up a stink then it is totally on them. They are the ones in real trouble here, do they really want to piss off another member?
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@rembrandt said in Brexit:
Seriously, for those advocating no deal, what’s your plan for Northern Ireland?
Soft Border with the extra protections described in the link. Make it public that is Britains intention, if the EU kick up a stink then it is totally on them. They are the ones in real trouble here, do they really want to piss off another member?
I’m sorry but that is one of the most facile things I have read on the issue. Reducing the Irish problem to “trade arrangements” is either disingenuous or deluded. The problem isn’t moving goods and services, it is, and always has been, the expectations of the populations of two separate nations occupying one island.
Some (the republicans) demand free movement throughout the island. They have proven over the course of decades that they will resort to murder and terrorism to bring that about and they only stopped because of the Good Friday Agreement. And that was only possible because mutual membership of the EU made the border effectively redundant.
But you have others (the loyalists) who are rabidly pro unionist. They will not stand for a border of any description between Ulster and the mainland and their parliamentary representatives, the DUP have already expressed that. There’s no border between Wales and England, so why do Northern Irish get second class citizenship status, being made to feel like non-UK citizens? And loyalists have been just as violent as the republicans in the past.
Note how, though, the UKIP mouthpieces you linked to avoid mentioning that altogether, yet without it how the fuck will the UK ever be able to stem migration - which let’s face it a majority of Brexit voters wanted ahead of everything else -when anybody who sets foot in Ireland can walk across the soft border to NI then make their way to the mainland at their leisure without further checks?
This though: “Although there is no explicit obstacle to a hard border in the Good Friday Agreement, it could be seen, and is certainly being presented as a barrier by those ideologically opposed to Brexit, as being contrary to the ‘Spirit of Concord’ and the undertaking to remove security installations, though the latter refers specifically to military installations and not civil ones.
A hard border, then, is not prohibited by the peace agreement, though it is undesirable and, more to the point, completely unnecessary.“ ... This takes the cake. No it’s not prohibited. The UK can impose it whenever it wants. But it comes with bombs, carnage and murder, same as it did for 80 years. But hey, someone has to be prepared to take one for Team UK, it’s for the greater good and fuck ‘me, they’re only Irish eh?“certainly being presented as a barrier by those ideologically opposed to Brexit”. No, it’s being presented as a barrier by angry madmen with guns who will murder or maim your children in a heartbeat. UKIP can reduce it to ideology if they want. But the suggestion that this can be overcome through goodwill is laughable. These people have never shown goodwill in their lives.
Utter, utter bollocks.
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