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Next act in the pantomime is Bercow (Speaker of the HoC), denying a third vote on May's deal without changes being made. Effectively stopping the likelihood of Brexit by 29th March. He has precedent to do this but also he is a known anti-Brexiteer. Conflict of interest? Much?
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
Next act in the pantomime is Bercow (Speaker of the HoC), denying a third vote on May's deal without changes being made. Effectively stopping the likelihood of Brexit by 29th March. He has precedent to do this but also he is a known anti-Brexiteer. Conflict of interest? Much?
Massive. But he is right tho.
And it does make sense.
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I'm a bit behind in all of this. If May's deal is off the table and no-deal brexit is off the table, remaining is off the table and if the extension gets declined also.. well what happens then on the 29th?
I wonder if it would be possible to manage this any poorer than it has been.
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
I'm a bit behind in all of this. If May's deal is off the table and no-deal brexit is off the table, remaining is off the table and if the extension gets declined also.. well what happens then on the 29th?
I wonder if it would be possible to manage this any poorer than it has been.
Answer to question 1: If May's deal is off the table (which it seems to be), there is no time left to conjure up another deal, so it will be either a no deal exit on the 29th (yes there was a vote against no deal but that is not a binding decision, nor is it a unilateral decision), or there will be an extension to Article 50. I can't see there being any other options given the time remaining.
Answer to question 2: No.
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
I'm a bit behind in all of this. If May's deal is off the table and no-deal brexit is off the table, remaining is off the table and if the extension gets declined also.. well what happens then on the 29th?
I wonder if it would be possible to manage this any poorer than it has been.
The diagram halfway down this page is very good at getting across the current situation.
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@Catogrande Technically it seems the house could override the speaker by either suspending the standing orders or closing and reopening parliament (as the rule only apply during the same session of parliament). But I think she'd need a house majority to do that.
They could also unilaterally withdraw and resubmit Article 50 and restart the 2 year clock. But that would also be very unpopular.
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@Catogrande It's ironic that we're now in a position where whether or not we leave with no deal is probably going to be decided by the EU. We haven't done a great job so far of taking back control. Even worse, each EU member has to agree. So Malta, for example, has the ability to totally fuck up our economy. (Although Malta always votes for us in Eurovision so we should be OK.)
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@Catogrande It's ironic that we're now in a position where whether or not we leave with no deal is probably going to be decided by the EU. We haven't done a great job so far of taking back control. Even worse, each EU member has to agree. So Malta, for example, has the ability to totally fuck up our economy. (Although Malta always votes for us in Eurovision so we should be OK.)
But we haven't won Eurovision for years. We are so fucked.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Situation is royally fucked!
Now there’s an idea! Get the Queen to dissolve parliament and go all Charles I on the situation to sort it out. Bring back the divine right of Kings (or Queens).
The Tower is still fit for purpose for anyone who disagrees.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Situation is royally fucked!
Now there’s an idea! Get the Queen to dissolve parliament and go all Charles I on the situation to sort it out. Bring back the divine right of Kings (or Queens).
The Tower is still fit for purpose for anyone who disagrees.
But then if historical precedent is anything to go by dear old Brenda gets her head chopped off and we end up being ruled by an aggressive bloke with warts that wants to invade Ireland.
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From the BBC:
Theresa May is writing to the EU to ask for Brexit to be postponed until 30 June with the option of a longer delay, cabinet sources say.
I mean seriously?? Yet another half arsed solution, with proper fence sitting on the idea that she can get her deal through parliament. I'm starting to get angry now. If your deal sucked yesterday, then it sucks today. Just because times getting close, MP's shouldn't be changing their mind. If they are, it's not in the best interests of the country.
If this happens and the EU don't tell her to fuck off, I'll be seriously surprised.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
From the BBC:
Theresa May is writing to the EU to ask for Brexit to be postponed until 30 June with the option of a longer delay, cabinet sources say.
I mean seriously?? Yet another half arsed solution, with proper fence sitting on the idea that she can get her deal through parliament. I'm starting to get angry now. If your deal sucked yesterday, then it sucks today. Just because times getting close, MP's shouldn't be changing their mind. If they are, it's not in the best interests of the country.
If this happens and the EU don't tell her to fuck off, I'll be seriously surprised.
It's brinkmanship. Even Rees-Mogg has succumbed and said he'd rather have May's deal than remain.
Basically UK can't stay in Europe now anyway. They have made themselves look so silly and incompetent in trying to leave that they will take decades to re-establish any sort of high ground or credibility.
One of the biggest fuck ups in political history.
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@Catogrande It's ironic that we're now in a position where whether or not we leave with no deal is probably going to be decided by the EU.
How? You just leave. Rip the band-aid off and deal with the consequences. Humans are remarkably adaptable.
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@antipodean said in Brexit:
@Catogrande It's ironic that we're now in a position where whether or not we leave with no deal is probably going to be decided by the EU.
How? You just leave. Rip the band-aid off and deal with the consequences. Humans are remarkably adaptable.
I hear this comment from a lot of people.
Surely a task of a govt is to protect the people from hardships as much as possible. There is no doubt that a no deal, walk away brexit will cause disruption on a huge scale as everything tries to adjust at once. The UK is so entwined with Europe in so many ways that aren’t even always obvious.
Even if exiting Europe was deemed so critically important that plunging the country into chaos was the way to go it then places the uk in exactly the same poor negotiating position that has caused the mess of an exit agreement. Making yourself weak then going to the market to do deals is pretty damn dumb. -
@antipodean said in Brexit:
@Catogrande It's ironic that we're now in a position where whether or not we leave with no deal is probably going to be decided by the EU.
How? You just leave. Rip the band-aid off and deal with the consequences. Humans are remarkably adaptable.
For sure. One way or another we'll muddle through, like we always do. My point though wasn't that we couldn't make our own decision but that we likely wouldn't. Not by March 29th anyway and that means it will be the EU's decision. Things might change in the seven working days we have left but I doubt it. Extension is at the mercy of the EU, Parliament has said no to a no deal exit. Whose decision do you think it will be?
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