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Random thoughts...
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Am not a fan of the concept of not naming or speaking the name of the perpetrator. I kind of understand the sentiment but I disagree. Naming him allows us to identify the enemy, and know who isn't evil.
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Interesting how often the picture of the blonde cop with the assault rifle has shown up. Am pretty sure it was on about 80% media outlets Friday evening, and has shown up multiple times since. Not sure if this is the woke media showing how empowered modern women are, or the misogynistic media perving.
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Amazed at how slow the ABC were at reporting anything on Friday. Plugged in to News Radio, who were obviously taking the News 24 TV feed, for the majority of Friday afternoon, occasionally checking Herald and Stuff. Things were getting reported on NZ sites hours before the ABC even speculated. Quite disappointing performance by a national broadcaster.
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Just watching Mike Bush on tele. 5mins 39secs from first call to arrival at site. Suspect arrested with 21 mins. Top work NZ Police.
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@booboo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Random thoughts...
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Am not a fan of the concept of not naming or speaking the name of the perpetrator. I kind of understand the sentiment but I disagree. Naming him allows us to identify the enemy, and know who isn't evil.
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Interesting how often the picture of the blonde cop with the assault rifle has shown up. Am pretty sure it was on about 80% media outlets Friday evening, and has shown up multiple times since. **Not sure if this is the woke media showing how empowered modern women are, or the misogynistic media perving.
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Amazed at how slow the ABC were at reporting anything on Friday. Plugged in to News Radio, who were obviously taking the News 24 TV feed, for the majority of Friday afternoon, occasionally checking Herald and Stuff. Things were getting reported on NZ sites hours before the ABC even speculated. Quite disappointing performance by a national broadcaster.
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Just watching Mike Bush on tele. 5mins 39secs from first call to arrival at site. Suspect arrested with 21 mins. Top work NZ Police.
Well I'm sure each side is suitably offended no matter what the view....
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
That guy really does deserve to rot in Hell, then die
Bloody hell. Still can't process seeing a three year old on that list having been hunted down by the killer.
The PM does have it right in being determined not to mention the killer's name. Whatever it takes to avoid giving him anything that he craves.
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I kind of get the articles and photos about the victims but I can’t help feel at times it’s click bait. I think victims names and a short blurb would get way fewer clicks than photos of the victims. Are the photos really needed??
Totally agree with not naming the guy. Bread & water, no internet, no tv, no newspapers, copy of the Koran and the Bible and greatest accordeon hits piped in from dawn to dusk, interspersed with excerpts from classic choral masterpieces.
In an ideal world he would be dropped at a rate of 1 cm a minute into a vat of boiling oil but the world is not ideal.
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Ms Ardern also defended her call not to refer to the suspect by name.
"One of his goals... was that he sought notoriety and we will absolutely deny him that," she said.I worry that she didn't read what he wrote. As tempting as it might be to write him off as an insane person I would think there is at least some value for people in authority in trying to understand why he did this. I don't know why she'd lie about that. Every chance of course that she has been misquoted too.
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@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Ms Ardern also defended her call not to refer to the suspect by name.
"One of his goals... was that he sought notoriety and we will absolutely deny him that," she said.I worry that she didn't read what he wrote. As tempting as it might be to write him off as an insane person I would think there is at least some value for people in authority in trying to understand why he did this. I don't know why she'd lie about that. Every chance of course that she has been misquoted too.
Why does not mentioning him by name in public mean that the authorities won't pick apart his every move?
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I'm going to be very specific and careful with this comment and am mindful I have preconcieved notions about both people...
But reading the story about the Project calling out Australian PM Scott Morrison was this nugget
“If anything paints a clearer picture on the state of Australian politics today it is this; after Waleed made that genuine, thoughtful, and reasoned contribution on Friday night — a plea for our community to come together — the Prime Minister of our country threatened to sue,” Macdonald said.
“In contrast, New Zealand’s Prime Minister invited Waleed to her country to sit down for an interview.Ardern has done a pretty admiral job so far IMO, but I really have to question what value does actively seeking out a sit down interview with a foreign journalist have at this point other than vanity and virtue signalling?
I may be reading too much into it and I absolutely have a preconceived notion about her motivations after the baby and UN antics, but to me a sit down interview for a leader with a foreign journo a week out from something like this seems... odd?
Have a press conference every day for the next fortnight, but this? Nah.
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@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Ms Ardern also defended her call not to refer to the suspect by name.
"One of his goals... was that he sought notoriety and we will absolutely deny him that," she said.I worry that she didn't read what he wrote. As tempting as it might be to write him off as an insane person I would think there is at least some value for people in authority in trying to understand why he did this. I don't know why she'd lie about that. Every chance of course that she has been misquoted too.
I doubt it is a misquote as it was said it parliament wasn't it? Hansard is usually pretty accurate.
I don't get how you would jump to that conclusion anyway. Whether she read every word or took a briefing from analysts (police, political and others) she has judged the conclusion sound.
It isn't difficult to have observed how previous mass murderers and terrorists have 'enjoyed' their notoriety subsequent to the act and I applaud the take to say fuck you! Narcissism, stupidity and their enabling vehicles of social media combined in making this situation. Let's not give them any oxygen. -
@canefan It was more her comment on his goal. His stated goal was actually the opposite of what she said. Probably not best on this thread right now though to discuss.
I've just arrived back in NZ and it really is everywhere. Been hearing some good stories about people offering up their cars to Mosque attendees who can't get theirs due to the scene examination. That's the kind of stuff I want to see pushed by our media, not the crap that is going to make the situation worse
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@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan It was more her comment on his goal. His stated goal was actually the opposite of what she said. Probably not best on this thread right now though to discuss.
I've just arrived back in NZ and it really is everywhere. Been hearing some good stories about people offering up their cars to Mosque attendees who can't get theirs due to the scene examination. That's the kind of stuff I want to see pushed by our media, not the crap that is going to make the situation worse
Unity stories are a tonic right now, that is for sure
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There’s a vigil/remembrance thing planned for tomorrow in London. Keeping a close eye on whether to go or not as everything around NZ House is on high security due to fuckwits claiming they are looking for retribution.
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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Crucial said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
My suggestion is a big sign saying Australia House that way➡️
I know you are joking but it is a rubbish joke as I would be gutted if the Aussies copped it.
Don’t worry. The have loads of extra security around as well. More to the point they are further away from Trafalgar Square..
I’d be gutted if anyone copped this stupid talk of retribution other than the twat that did it himself.
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@rotated said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I'm going to be very specific and careful with this comment and am mindful I have preconcieved notions about both people...
But reading the story about the Project calling out Australian PM Scott Morrison was this nugget
“If anything paints a clearer picture on the state of Australian politics today it is this; after Waleed made that genuine, thoughtful, and reasoned contribution on Friday night — a plea for our community to come together — the Prime Minister of our country threatened to sue,” Macdonald said.
“In contrast, New Zealand’s Prime Minister invited Waleed to her country to sit down for an interview.Ardern has done a pretty admiral job so far IMO, but I really have to question what value does actively seeking out a sit down interview with a foreign journalist have at this point other than vanity and virtue signalling?
I may be reading too much into it and I absolutely have a preconceived notion about her motivations after the baby and UN antics, but to me a sit down interview for a leader with a foreign journo a week out from something like this seems... odd?
Have a press conference every day for the next fortnight, but this? Nah.
Waleed is a divisive character at the best of times. I agree I see no point to it.
I'm also not that comfortable with the focus on celebrating/wearing the Hijab in solidarity of Muslims in NZ. I'm sure it comes from a good place, but that item of clothing has an awful lot of very bad baggage - for example a human rights lawyer in Iran has been sentenced to 140+ lashes (I.E. torture) and 38 years in prison for defending other women that don't want to wear it. Adern wearing it has not been well received by Muslim feminists that are fighting against this ultra-conservative modesty culture, and fair enough too.
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@Crucial said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
There’s a vigil/remembrance thing planned for tomorrow in London. Keeping a close eye on whether to go or not as everything around NZ House is on high security due to fuckwits claiming they are looking for retribution.
My suggestion is a big sign saying Australia House that way➡️Sadly I think retribution is inevitable as well as probably retribution on that retribution. It is going to be an extremely busy time for security services to somehow avoid an ongoing crisis.
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