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@taniwharugby So I guess we'll all be back in a year to do it again? Perhaps the official line is they need to apply as not to look like too soft a touch
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That Nelson firefighter petition was an interesting one:
But the petition to keep him in the country seems unnecessary, as neither he nor his family are at risk of deportation.
"Mr Webster and his family are all legally in New Zealand and are not facing deportation, Immigration NZ manager Michael Carley told Newshub.
"Mr and Mrs Webster’s work visas are valid until 6 July this year and they will have the opportunity to apply for further visas before then. There is no compliance action planned against the family as they’re all lawfully in New Zealand."
It's unclear where the idea of Mr Webster's imminent deportation came from.
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Uday Clark doesn’t appear to have got the memo about compassion, some of the cuts he’s made to health funding have been pretty brutal
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12223776
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Yeah , nah . I’m thinking getting someone who will always be remembered for being a fluffybunny with a chip on his shoulder about successful people who lumbered us with a billion dollar trainset and then paying said fluffybunny $1000 a day to sell the concept might have had something to do with it.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12224277
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby Did we ever hear what happened about the (Nelson?) firefighter in a similar position?
Edit to add: Maybe there are a fuckton of details missing, but I'm so confused why that family would be denied residency when they are clearly self sufficient and contributing to the economy, plus providing a lot of jobs for a small business.
Essentially, to meet the requirements of the Entrepenur (business) residency category, they have to improve the business they purchased, not just run it well. Otherwise, people could obtain residency essentially for free by buying a good existing business and running it adequately which is not the purpose of the category.
This would have been part of their initial business plan which their visa was granted on the basis of (because they would not have been granted the visa otherwise), so it's not like they would not have been aware of the requirements, or how they have failed to meet them (INZ decision letters are required to outline the reasons and are usually pretty detailed). This visa is the minister basically saying "one more chance to show your case".
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby Did we ever hear what happened about the (Nelson?) firefighter in a similar position?
Edit to add: Maybe there are a fuckton of details missing, but I'm so confused why that family would be denied residency when they are clearly self sufficient and contributing to the economy, plus providing a lot of jobs for a small business.
Essentially, to meet the requirements of the Entrepenur (business) residency category, they have to improve the business they purchased, not just run it well. Otherwise, people could obtain residency essentially for free by buying a good existing business and running it adequately which is not the purpose of the category.
This would have been part of their initial business plan which their visa was granted on the basis of (because they would not have been granted the visa otherwise), so it's not like they would not have been aware of the requirements, or how they have failed to meet them (INZ decision letters are required to outline the reasons and are usually pretty detailed). This visa is the minister basically saying "one more chance to show your case".
Originally the story said the business they bought wasn't actually as good as its previous owners made out it was and to cover the shortfall the husband became a car dealer to help things out financially. Apparently that affected their business catagory residency becuase the business wasn't meeting an income threshold or similar.
Also they were foolish enough not to deal meth and hang out with hells angels or have a creepy male feminist friend with Arderns phone number.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
Auckland millenial issues reporter, oh ffs. What a pretentious title.
Get a proper job you entitled sanctimonious clown, you've got my retirement to pay for.
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby Did we ever hear what happened about the (Nelson?) firefighter in a similar position?
Edit to add: Maybe there are a fuckton of details missing, but I'm so confused why that family would be denied residency when they are clearly self sufficient and contributing to the economy, plus providing a lot of jobs for a small business.
Essentially, to meet the requirements of the Entrepenur (business) residency category, they have to improve the business they purchased, not just run it well. Otherwise, people could obtain residency essentially for free by buying a good existing business and running it adequately which is not the purpose of the category.
This would have been part of their initial business plan which their visa was granted on the basis of (because they would not have been granted the visa otherwise), so it's not like they would not have been aware of the requirements, or how they have failed to meet them (INZ decision letters are required to outline the reasons and are usually pretty detailed). This visa is the minister basically saying "one more chance to show your case".
Originally the story said the business they bought wasn't actually as good as its previous owners made out it was and to cover the shortfall the husband became a car dealer to help things out financially. Apparently that affected their business catagory residency becuase the business wasn't meeting an income threshold or similar.
Looks like they applied on the basis of buying a different restaurant which was sold prior to their arrival in NZ, so they bought the current restaurant. When they applied for the balance of the visa, INZ suggested that a change of proposal was in order, but their immigration adviser noted that the original business proposal was to buy a particular restaurant or similar if the original restaurant was sold, so INZ agreed to grant the balance of the visa without any changes being required.
When applying for residence, they had not met their proposal (insufficient additional revenue or new NZ jobs) and argued that the difference in capacity of the restaurants should be taken into account, and that they had not been able to hire sufficient New Zealanders so had been forced to hire migrants. INZ couldn't because there was no change proposal, so they were stuck with their original business proposal and therefore sunk (the lack of new NZ jobs probably didn't help, but it doesn't get much coverage in the appeal decision).
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@jegga I have such a huge issue with the term millennial in conjunction with youth. Born from 2000 onwards fuck yeah you are talking about youth perspective. But people born in 1980 are THIRTY NINE FUCKING YEARS OLD. Since when did on the verge of 40 get classified as youth?
It's such a fucking stupid grouping. Where else is 19-39 years old considered youth? Also, in this group you could conceivably have parent and kid.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga I have such a huge issue with the term millennial in conjunction with youth. Born from 2000 onwards fuck yeah you are talking about youth perspective. But people born in 1980 are THIRTY NINE FUCKING YEARS OLD. Since when did on the verge of 40 get classified as youth?
It's such a fucking stupid grouping. Where else is 19-39 years old considered youth?
They seem to be confusing youth with immaturity.
Ardern didn't even try and sell that bullshit on the campaign trail, she called herself [heh heh ] youth adjacent .
I've noticed on the various blogs whenever Golly G is mocked for her narcissism , dishonesty and total lack of self awareness the best defence her white knights can come up rather than actually debate the facts is to berate creepy old men being obsessed with a young woman. She's 38, almost what most people would call middle aged . -
@taniwharugby Yes! Also true.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga I have such a huge issue with the term millennial in conjunction with youth. Born from 2000 onwards fuck yeah you are talking about youth perspective. But people born in 1980 are THIRTY NINE FUCKING YEARS OLD. Since when did on the verge of 40 get classified as youth?
It's such a fucking stupid grouping. Where else is 19-39 years old considered youth? Also, in this group you could conceivably have parent and kid.
It's a bit awkward... Problem is, Generation Z is still a bit young, as they start around 2000, but youth affairs normally go up to 25-30 so there's a bit of a crossover.
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