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@antipodean Yep, there are many Christian denominations and even more interpretations, also among Polynesians. So those that take their religion seriously, may have an entirely different view from Folau. Digby Ioane, for example, has been very clear about that.
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I assume the Wallabies have an alcohol sponsor or at least the stadiums they play at rely heavily on piss sales. Have any of these companies voiced concerns about their products being labelled the devil's work or have they been able to get on with their lives like the fornicators and adulterers?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I assume the Wallabies have an alcohol sponsor or at least the stadiums they play at rely heavily on piss sales. Have any of these companies voiced concerns about their products being labelled the devil's work or have they been able to get on with their lives like the fornicators and adulterers?
Well its a known fact that they serve Australian beer in hell so yes it's definitely quite the conundrum.
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It will be interesting to see how many PI players support Folau. Obviously they aren't a single hive mind, but we may soon find out if his fun version of Christianity is widely followed.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
So, given the increasing Polynesian-ing (new word!) of the Wallabies, they might battle to find 23 players for October
Jokes aside it will be interesting to see if many others speak up in support of Folau. Conservative Christian beliefs like Folau's are not uncommon, RAs actions will have undoubtedly pissed off quite a few people/players that put their faith above all else.
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@Stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life That they won't have trouble finding 23 players for the Wallabies, because there may be plenty of PI players disagreeing with Folau, or agreeing with Folau but having the brains to respect the terms of their employment and keep their bigoted views off social media.
Brilliant. Makes a point about keeping bigoted views off social media by expressing bigoted views ( brainless) on social media 😂
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
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@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
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@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
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@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
Maybe he would keep his personal feelings to himself?
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
Maybe he would keep his personal feelings to himself?
Fair enough. You got a list of what he should or should not say in the future lest he gets into trouble? ( just playing devil's advocate here. All of these outrages in the court of public opinion always disrupt someone's life as part of our societal "learnings". They're never specifically obvious before the pc pious turn on someone )
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
Maybe he would keep his personal feelings to himself?
Refusing to answer would be quite damning I would think.
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@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Is it really surprising? Some pretty middle of the road types who have weak personalities get easily derailed by far left authoritarianism bombarding thme day after day that anything not far left is evil and wrong. You ca spot these types as they are pretty average people who say the following 'free speech is important but...'
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@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
So how is excluding christian beliefs and the ability to express those believes inclusive? This action is the very opposite of inclusive. And wasnt Falous post all about having a squeaky clean life? Or was it not the right type of squeaky clean life? Are QANTAS and ARU now the arbiters of what a squeaky clean life is?
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@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
Maybe he would keep his personal feelings to himself?
Refusing to answer would be quite damning I would think.
You would like to think they wouldn't set a trap like that. But if they did he wouldn't be the first public figure who asked that questions only be about his sport and not his personal life. Besides, I don't recall Folau being asked his opinion, he just offered it up on his own for public consumption. Funny thing is we know how he feels and he did not attract heat until he made those feeling public. For the second time. After being warned.
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
Maybe he would keep his personal feelings to himself?
And why should he have to exactly? Because of threats by powerful institutions? Welcome a dystopian future.
Anyone who genuinely offended by what he said needs psychological help. because if a tweet by some moronic rugby player tilts you.... you are a mental midget that Darwin needs to cull. -
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@nzzp said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's something my wife said immediately - that RA had ostracised a large portion of the PI community with their intolerance of players expressing conservative Christian beliefs. Will be interesting to see if many more speak out.
ARU: We're such a diverse and inclusive organisation we're excluding you for your genuinely held beliefs.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised at the number of people here who are very comfortable with employers having such control over the religious expression of their employees. Folau's a muppet, and I totally disagree with him, but getting the sack over a tweet is pretty extreme.
Yeah, I don't think so. In this day and age keeping a squeaky clean image and portraying Rugby ( or any sport for that matter ) as all inclusive is pretty fucken important in terms of growing the game.
Not only that he was clearly warned for this sort of carry on last year.
I'm not surprised and I think it's the right decision.
I’m waiting for someone to actually ask SBW his feelings about LGBTQ people and what Allah has in store for them in the afterlife . If it ever happens the NZRU response will be interesting
Maybe he would keep his personal feelings to himself?
Refusing to answer would be quite damning I would think.
You would like to think they wouldn't set a trap like that. But if they did he wouldn't be the first public figure who asked that questions only be about his sport and not his personal life. Besides, I don't recall Folau being asked his opinion, he just offered it up on his own for public consumption. Funny thing is we know how he feels and he did not attract heat until he made those feeling public. For the second time. After being warned.
So as long as you warn someone that you are going to trample all over free speech that makes it ok?
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