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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12232969
If this article is to be believed Folau's tweets have scared off some potential landing spots. I expect many will be afraid of the optics of allowing Folau in, and the high risk of him going off piste again. For example if you are the NRL you have enough trouble keeping your current players out of trouble without courting more heat
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
I've also read that he is protected under the Fair Work Act, which are laws that protect workers rights. This includes protection for religious beliefs, stopping employers from terminating employment based on those beliefs.
Having beliefs is fine. But I think there are also sections in the Act about expressing those beliefs in a way that is detrimental to the employer.
The general protections section of the Fair Work Act apply and he could make a claim RA breached that and test that in the Federal Court. Those provisions have a reverse onus too so RA would have to prove they didn’t breach those protections.
I t would be great to have it tested in court. I doubt the intention of non discrimination for religion is a carte Blanche to say what you like and hide behind religious teachings.
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12232969
If this article is to be believed Folau's tweets have scared off some potential landing spots. I expect many will be afraid of the optics of allowing Folau in, and the high risk of him going off piste again. For example if you are the NRL you have enough trouble keeping your current players out of trouble without courting more heat
If the courts rule he’s done nothing wrong, is that then discrimination? Can he press charges against people that won’t touch him because of what he may / will write on social media?
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12232969
If this article is to be believed Folau's tweets have scared off some potential landing spots. I expect many will be afraid of the optics of allowing Folau in, and the high risk of him going off piste again. For example if you are the NRL you have enough trouble keeping your current players out of trouble without courting more heat
It's crazy - the NRL don't want him yet what he did absolutely pales in comparison to what some of the scrumbags playing NRL have done in the past.
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Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12232969
If this article is to be believed Folau's tweets have scared off some potential landing spots. I expect many will be afraid of the optics of allowing Folau in, and the high risk of him going off piste again. For example if you are the NRL you have enough trouble keeping your current players out of trouble without courting more heat
It's crazy - the NRL don't want him yet what he did absolutely pales in comparison to what some of the scrumbags playing NRL have done in the past.
He wouldn't want to go back there anyway. Most of them are already going to hell!!!
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In a move that surprises nobody, Folau starts talking to employment lawyer with recent cred:
Israel Folau has tapped one of Australia's leading workplace relations lawyers and Melbourne silks, Stuart Wood QC, for advice as he mulls taking on Rugby Australia in court alleging a breach of contract.
A representative for Folau said that it was too early to say Wood had been “engaged” by the rugby superstar but confirmed the pair had been in talks over next steps in his ongoing tussle with RA.
Those close to Folau have recommended workplace relations expert Wood, who has emerged in past years as a crusader in unlawful termination cases where free speech is called into question.
The Melbourne-based barrister most recently successfully represented controversial marine scientist and climate-sceptic Peter Ridd in his battle against James Cook University, which terminated the academic for questioning his colleagues on-air and in emails.
The scientist was terminated by the university after describing his colleague, who was a coral researcher, as "not having any clue about the weather" and for giving "the normal doom science about the Great Barrier Reef".
Federal Circuit Court judge Sal Vasta ruled in the academic's favour, finding that his employment contract with the university protected his comments over and above the university's code of conduct. Ridd is continuing to seek reinstatement at the university.
While Folau has not confirmed his legal team or decided which avenue in the courts he will go down, the Herald understands the 30-year-old is setting his sights on being represented by Wood.
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
He wouldn't want to go back there anyway. Most of them are already going to hell!!!
And that's just preseason bonding sessions....
Don't forget Mad Monday!!
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
In a move that surprises nobody, Folau starts talking to employment lawyer with recent cred:
Israel Folau has tapped one of Australia's leading workplace relations lawyers and Melbourne silks, Stuart Wood QC, for advice as he mulls taking on Rugby Australia in court alleging a breach of contract.
A representative for Folau said that it was too early to say Wood had been “engaged” by the rugby superstar but confirmed the pair had been in talks over next steps in his ongoing tussle with RA.
Those close to Folau have recommended workplace relations expert Wood, who has emerged in past years as a crusader in unlawful termination cases where free speech is called into question.
The Melbourne-based barrister most recently successfully represented controversial marine scientist and climate-sceptic Peter Ridd in his battle against James Cook University, which terminated the academic for questioning his colleagues on-air and in emails.
The scientist was terminated by the university after describing his colleague, who was a coral researcher, as "not having any clue about the weather" and for giving "the normal doom science about the Great Barrier Reef".
Federal Circuit Court judge Sal Vasta ruled in the academic's favour, finding that his employment contract with the university protected his comments over and above the university's code of conduct. Ridd is continuing to seek reinstatement at the university.
While Folau has not confirmed his legal team or decided which avenue in the courts he will go down, the Herald understands the 30-year-old is setting his sights on being represented by Wood.
...Tithing at his local church has just gone up..
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.
In other words a typical Saturdee night when Craig Gower was playing
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@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.
In other words a typical Saturdee night when Craig Gower was playing
Foolah didn't mention bestiality. So Mitchell Pearce is in the clear right? 🤔
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.
In other words a typical Saturdee night when Craig Gower was playing
Foolah didn't mention bestiality. So Mitchell Pearce is in the clear right? 🤔
Oh wait, he was intoxicated when it happened.....
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Peak NZH.
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@Salacious-Crumb So it turns out that this professor did a worldwide study that concludes there is homophobia in sport. He recruited participants primarily through social media, in facebook groups like OUT in the Field, and in his own words "The primary recruitment messages used in all communication tactics was typically “Share Your Story” with the tagline of “The First International Study on Homophobia in Sports.” It is unclear if this messaging would have had any impact on the kind of participants who decided to take part in the study. "
You think?
Anyway his self selecting participants in NZ, made up of 238 Gay, 142 Lesbian, 155 Straight and 88 Bisexual / Not disclosed (Total 623) is enough for him to know that homophobia is rife in NZ sport. OK Prof, if you say so it's probably true and if not the NZ media is unlikely to question your methodological rigour, so on you go.
The study concludes that the All Blacks are to blame for all the homophobia in sport, and they need to start the campaign to stamp it out after all its their fault. And none of the team speak out in support of Gay people, which is unconscionable. Oh wait, no it doesn't. They're not mentioned. There's no link. No evidence. Nothing. No mention of the times AB players have already called out homophobia either. No it turns out that they should do it because people will listen to them. Probably.
As you say Mr Crumb, Peak NZH.
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@JC said in The Folau Factor:
@Salacious-Crumb So it turns out that this professor did a worldwide study that concludes there is homophobia in sport. He recruited participants primarily through social media, in facebook groups like OUT in the Field, and in his own words "The primary recruitment messages used in all communication tactics was typically “Share Your Story” with the tagline of “The First International Study on Homophobia in Sports.” It is unclear if this messaging would have had any impact on the kind of participants who decided to take part in the study."
You think?
Anyway his self selecting participants in NZ, made up of 238 Gay, 142 Lesbian, 155 Straight and 88 Bisexual / Not disclosed (Total 623) is enough for him to know that homophobia is rife in NZ sport. OK Prof, if you say so it's probably true and if not the NZ media is unlikely to question your methodological rigour, so on you go.
The study concludes that the All Blacks are to blame for all the homophobia in sport, and they need to start the campaign to stamp it out after all its their fault. And none of the team speak out in support of Gay people, which is unconscionable. Oh wait, no it doesn't. They're not mentioned. There's no link. No evidence. Nothing. No mention of the times AB players have already called out homophobia either. No it turns out that they should do it because people will listen to them. Probably.
As you say Mr Crumb, Peak NZH.
and I'm sure we will see Jacinda's endorsement pretty shortly along with plans for a committee to put in place a working plan to resolve the systemic problems in the ABs
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions