All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?
So you're not saying shorter locks can be as effective as - if not more so than - 2m+ guys? Because that's how that statement reads.
I pointed out that AB selection policy pretty much overwhelmingly refutes your assertion.
Yes I am saying that. No the AB selection "policy" does not refute that.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
In my eyes it's
Jones/Brooke - a bunch of okay players - Retallic/Whitelock
Ali Williams was close to, if not the best player not named McCaw or Carter in the 2008 squad before he was ravaged by injuries and legitimately held his own against Botha/Matfield.
A reasonable test for being a quality AB has been being arguably the best in the world at your position at some point and until the current crop locks and halfbacks have been a real struggle.
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@rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.
Since 2002, off the top of my head:
To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:
2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.
Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.
Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.
Since 2002, off the top of my head:
To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:
2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.
Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.
Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.
No mention of Chresten Davis?
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?
So you're not saying shorter locks can be as effective as - if not more so than - 2m+ guys? Because that's how that statement reads.
I pointed out that AB selection policy pretty much overwhelmingly refutes your assertion.
Brad Thorn was a far better lock than Dom Bird.
Height isn’t everything. -
shame Royce WIllis left when he did, James Ryan suffering the injury he did.
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@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.
Since 2002, off the top of my head:
To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:
2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.
Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.
Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.
No mention of Chresten Davis?
Only played Blindside for the ABs.
Fuck bro, sometimes I wonder if you even watch Rugby.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.
Since 2002, off the top of my head:
To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:
2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.
Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.
Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.
No mention of Chresten Davis?
Only played Blindside for the ABs.
Fuck bro, sometimes I wonder if you even watch Rugby.
Blindsided Caleb Ralph, that's for sure. HAR HAR HAR
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@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.
Since 2002, off the top of my head:
To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:
2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.
Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.
Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.
No mention of Chresten Davis?
Only played Blindside for the ABs.
Fuck bro, sometimes I wonder if you even watch Rugby.
Blindsided Caleb Ralph, that's for sure. HAR HAR HAR
Stop posting right now.
You will NEVER do another one this good.