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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
He's not advocating or preaching hate against anyone. He's not telling people to discriminate or persecute.You truly believe years of discrimination and hate towards homosexuals had nothing to do with religious preaching of it being a sin?
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RA firing back. Whatever you feel about the ethics of the corporate sponsors who support the RA they help them pay the bills and they need that money. I don't hear these free speech groups stepping up to the plate and sponsoring the RA so they can ignore the anti Folau movement. Perhaps they should start a donation page?
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
He's not advocating or preaching hate against anyone. He's not telling people to discriminate or persecute.You truly believe years of discrimination and hate towards homosexuals had nothing to do with religious preaching of it being a sin?
How on earth is that relevant to what I wrote? Tell me where Foolnow is preaching hate or discrimination. Where is he telling anyone to persecute others? Plenty of hate and persecution in this case and it ain't coming from him.
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
Don't worry, is he's message comes from a place of love
He forgot to add dentists.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
He's not advocating or preaching hate against anyone. He's not telling people to discriminate or persecute.You truly believe years of discrimination and hate towards homosexuals had nothing to do with religious preaching of it being a sin?
How on earth is that relevant to what I wrote? Tell me where Foolnow is preaching hate or discrimination. Where is he telling anyone to persecute others? Plenty of hate and persecution in this case and it ain't coming from him.
Because preaching leads to a belief, if people truly believe homosexuality is a sin, will they not possibly treat those people differently? What is the reason for him to preach this in the first place? Maybe I am looking at this wrong, Folau is a loving and caring bloke that doesn't want to see all his gay mates go to hell.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel we are many people's hell on earth. One of the pleasures of the job
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
He's not advocating or preaching hate against anyone. He's not telling people to discriminate or persecute.You truly believe years of discrimination and hate towards homosexuals had nothing to do with religious preaching of it being a sin?
How on earth is that relevant to what I wrote? Tell me where Foolnow is preaching hate or discrimination. Where is he telling anyone to persecute others? Plenty of hate and persecution in this case and it ain't coming from him.
Because preaching leads to a belief, if people truly believe homosexuality is a sin, will they not possibly treat those people differently? What is the reason for him to preach this in the first place? Maybe I am looking at this wrong, Folau is a loving and caring bloke that doesn't want to see all his gay mates go to hell.
But he says almost everything is a sin. Even lying. Is he calling on beer drinkers and atheists to be shunned too? Why this total focus on the gay thing when they represent a tiny percentage of the people he reckons are going to hell? You do realise that many (most?) believers think non-believers are going to hell right?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
He's not advocating or preaching hate against anyone. He's not telling people to discriminate or persecute.You truly believe years of discrimination and hate towards homosexuals had nothing to do with religious preaching of it being a sin?
How on earth is that relevant to what I wrote? Tell me where Foolnow is preaching hate or discrimination. Where is he telling anyone to persecute others? Plenty of hate and persecution in this case and it ain't coming from him.
Because preaching leads to a belief, if people truly believe homosexuality is a sin, will they not possibly treat those people differently? What is the reason for him to preach this in the first place? Maybe I am looking at this wrong, Folau is a loving and caring bloke that doesn't want to see all his gay mates go to hell.
But he says almost everything is a sin. Even lying. Is he calling on beer drinkers and atheists to be shunned too? Why this total focus on the gay thing when they represent a tiny percentage of the people he reckons are going to hell?
Because many people rationalise those other sins as being immoral and not accepted by society and therefore probably agree with them as being sins or undesirable. Atheists don't care as they cant go to hell because it doesn't exist, not sure there are many people who identify as "Idolaters". Being a homosexual is not a choice so this is hard for people to accept, if you changed homosexual for black/brown skin you would get the same outcry.
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
RA firing back. Whatever you feel about the ethics of the corporate sponsors who support the RA they help them pay the bills and they need that money. I don't hear these free speech groups stepping up to the plate and sponsoring the RA so they can ignore the anti Folau movement. Perhaps they should start a donation page?
So RA is essentially blaming Qantas for threatening to pull their sponsorship. I can't stress enough how absolutely pathetic that is on the part of Qantas for reasons already mentioned in this thread.
Also, there's no way a donation page could match the money a massive corporation pumps into the game every year (assume that was a joke?).
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
Hey @chimoaus got any passages from the bible that support segregation of Blacks? Or are you just conflating that with slavery? Because that would be racist... đ
I don't think the bible has direct versus re blacks etc, just religious folk used their faith as a reason to proclaim slavery and segregation was ok. I think people can find things in the bible to make anything they do justifiable.
D'oh
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@JC said in The Folau Factor:
He, and you donât seem to get this, doesnât say that he thinks those people are bad, he says that God has said categorically that they will go to Hell.
Just so I get this straight, people who sin are not "bad",but they will go to a fiery pit for eternity after they die? What happens to people who are bad? No dessert in heaven?
Just out of curiosity, could God be wrong about homosexuality being a sin?
Yes. Itâs not hard to grasp. For someone who seems to have all the answers to this you have very little knowledge of religion. Let me break it down. God said âJudge not, that you be not judgedâ. Matthew 7. God judges, man doesnât. The concept of bad or good, in a biblical sense, doesnât apply. We, and Folau, will obviously have opinions on whether people are good or bad, but they donât really matter. What does matter is whether you commit sins. And God decides that (or rather has decided that already). It doesnât matter if you do good things or bad things, itâs whether you sin and whether you repent. That is the point.
Do I agree, no. But I wonât belittle those who do in the disparaging way you have. No dessert indeed. Just so youâre aware, whether you agree or not, want it or nor, these people want you to be saved.
About God being wrong, by definition, no.
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@JC Appreciate the response, I admit I am pretty ignorant in regards to religion and clearly I have no idea how it works. Best I leave it be and go and watch some rugby. After all I was the kid in primary school that was sent to the principals office during religious studies as my mum didn't want me brainwashed.
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
RA firing back. Whatever you feel about the ethics of the corporate sponsors who support the RA they help them pay the bills and they need that money. I don't hear these free speech groups stepping up to the plate and sponsoring the RA so they can ignore the anti Folau movement. Perhaps they should start a donation page?
These are PR games. Both sides are playing them. Both sides getting their stories out just in case the Federal Court finds against the other.
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
Hey @chimoaus got any passages from the bible that support segregation of Blacks? Or are you just conflating that with slavery? Because that would be racist... đ
I don't think the bible has direct versus re blacks etc, just religious folk used their faith as a reason to proclaim slavery and segregation was ok. I think people can find things in the bible to make anything they do justifiable.
Bloody hell, "religious folk"? That's a pretty broad brush. Again, you're conflating slavery with racism against Blacks. They're different things mostly.
As I asked, examples please?
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@JC said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
@JC said in The Folau Factor:
He, and you donât seem to get this, doesnât say that he thinks those people are bad, he says that God has said categorically that they will go to Hell.
Just so I get this straight, people who sin are not "bad",but they will go to a fiery pit for eternity after they die? What happens to people who are bad? No dessert in heaven?
Just out of curiosity, could God be wrong about homosexuality being a sin?
Yes. Itâs not hard to grasp. For someone who seems to have all the answers to this you have very little knowledge of religion. Let me break it down. God said âJudge not, that you be not judgedâ. Matthew 7. God judges, man doesnât. The concept of bad or good, in a biblical sense, doesnât apply. We, and Folau, will obviously have opinions on whether people are good or bad, but they donât really matter. What does matter is whether you commit sins. And God decides that (or rather has decided that already). It doesnât matter if you do good things or bad things, itâs whether you sin and whether you repent. That is the point.
Do I agree, no. But I wonât belittle those who do in the disparaging way you have. No dessert indeed. Just so youâre aware, whether you agree or not, want it or nor, these people want you to be saved.
About God being wrong, by definition, no.
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,John 8:7*
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone-
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There certainly has been an interesting disparity in media responses to the two players:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12246249
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Sticks and stones can break your bones, my wife always said, but words quoted from The Bible is the elevated abuse that really does the damage.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions