The American Civil War
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@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The American Civil War:
@jegga said in The American Civil War:
Theres a couple of dedicated civil war podcasts online I've been meaning to check out that might interest you .
Also I was listening to a podcast the other day about this odd bit of history, that followed the civil war https://www.history.com/news/irish-american-civil-war-veterans-attack-canada
There was an incident mentioned in the doco where an Irish regiment from the South mowed down an Irish regiment from the North. That must have been bizzarre to witness.
The Irish also raised holy hell for black people in New York during the war. I think this is mentioned in the film Gangs of New York?
I think so, there was also an issue in that film where you could pay someone to take your place if you were drafted?
Yep, that was big business. Guys would take payment and then disappear and then do the same thing in another town. Think one dude did it 30 times.
Another interesting fact is that the respective capitals were only about 150km apart.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel it’s fascinating stuff. About 10 years ago I read quite a bit and watched a few different docos. If you’re after a good read, Battle Cry for Freedom by James McPherson is probably the best book I’ve read on it. It answered a lot of questions I had. A more recent book that was a decent read is The Fiery Trial by Eric Foner.
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When you travel to the States try to get in some visits to battlefields, like Gettysburg, Manassas, etc. Awesome.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The American Civil War:
@Virgil said in The American Civil War:
What’s the doco called?
The Civil War
Nice and easy!
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Stephen Ambrose’s biography of Custer and Crazy horse covers a lot of the civil war . It’s interesting reading about how the students at West Point picked a side and ended up fighting their schoolmates. Custer went to the wedding of one of his confederate classmates dressed in his Union officers uniform.
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@JC said in The American Civil War:
@jegga His two books on Eisenhower were outstanding. I’ll have to give your recommendation a try.
I’ve been meaning to read those , he was an interesting choice for overlord considering how well his plans to defend the Phillipines worked out.
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@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@JC said in The American Civil War:
@jegga His two books on Eisenhower were outstanding. I’ll have to give your recommendation a try.
I’ve been meaning to read those , he was an interesting choice for overlord considering how well his plans to defend the Phillipines worked out.
I seem to remember his main attribute was the ability to get both sides to work together
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@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@JC said in The American Civil War:
@jegga His two books on Eisenhower were outstanding. I’ll have to give your recommendation a try.
I’ve been meaning to read those , he was an interesting choice for overlord considering how well his plans to defend the Phillipines worked out.
Were either he or Marshall ever in combat? Don't think he was in WW1.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The American Civil War:
@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@JC said in The American Civil War:
@jegga His two books on Eisenhower were outstanding. I’ll have to give your recommendation a try.
I’ve been meaning to read those , he was an interesting choice for overlord considering how well his plans to defend the Phillipines worked out.
Were either he or Marshall ever in combat? Don't think he was in WW1.
I don’t think so . His actions over the Suez look pretty awesome now 60 years on .
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@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The American Civil War:
@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@JC said in The American Civil War:
@jegga His two books on Eisenhower were outstanding. I’ll have to give your recommendation a try.
I’ve been meaning to read those , he was an interesting choice for overlord considering how well his plans to defend the Phillipines worked out.
Were either he or Marshall ever in combat? Don't think he was in WW1.
I don’t think so . His actions over the Suez look pretty awesome now 60 years on .
You have to love that "special relationship" or in the case of Suez "Britain the ginger stepchild relationship".
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@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@JC said in The American Civil War:
@jegga Stephen Ambrose is the daddy.
Except his book about Lewis and Clark , it’s so bad you’d think someone else wrote it.
Funnily enough, he was accused of plagiarism a few times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_E._Ambrose#Plagiarism
In 2002, Ambrose was accused of plagiarizing several passages in his book The Wild Blue.[54][55] Fred Barnes reported in The Weekly Standard that Ambrose had taken passages from Wings of Morning: The Story of the Last American Bomber Shot Down over Germany in World War II, by Thomas Childers, a history professor at the University of Pennsylvania.[56] Ambrose had footnoted sources, but had not enclosed in quotation marks numerous passages from Childers's book.[55][57]
Ambrose asserted that only a few sentences in all his numerous books were the work of other authors. He offered this defense: I tell stories. I don't discuss my documents. I discuss the story. It almost gets to the point where, how much is the reader going to take? I am not writing a Ph.D. dissertation. I wish I had put the quotation marks in, but I didn't. I am not out there stealing other people's writings. If I am writing up a passage and it is a story I want to tell and this story fits and a part of it is from other people's writing, I just type it up that way and put it in a footnote. I just want to know where the hell it came from.[55]
A Forbes investigation of his work found cases of plagiarism involving passages in at least six books, with a similar pattern going all the way back to his doctoral dissertation.[58] The History News Network lists seven of Ambrose's more than 40 works—The Wild Blue, Undaunted Courage, Nothing Like It In the World, Nixon: Ruin and Recovery, Citizen Soldiers, The Supreme Commander, and Crazy Horse and Custer—contained content from twelve authors without appropriate attribution from Ambrose.[57]
Great story teller, but perhaps a bit careless with his referencing at times...
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@Donsteppa said in The American Civil War:
@jegga said in The American Civil War:
@JC said in The American Civil War:
@jegga Stephen Ambrose is the daddy.
Except his book about Lewis and Clark , it’s so bad you’d think someone else wrote it.
Funnily enough, he was accused plagiarism a few times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_E._Ambrose#Plagiarism
Great story teller, but perhaps a bit careless with his referencing at times.
I read Wild Blue which had stolen passages in it . I think he was lazy rather than malicious.
He’s been accused of being anti British in his writing too
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Ken Burns documentary is thorough and beautifully made, but slow. Shelby Foote's three-volume Civil War narrative history is incredibly informative, but at 1.2 million words is quite an investment in time.
Books I would most recommend on US Civil War:
Battle Cry of Freedom by James McPherson. Excellent on the major combatants and engagements. Written in a lucid and accessible style. Standard recommended work on topic for 25+ years.
This Republic of Suffering by Drew Gilpin Faust. An account of how men suffered how they died and how they were buried in the US Civil War. Extremely moving.
The Fiery Trial by Eric Foner. Superb analysis on Lincoln's changing views on slavery by a master historian.
Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin. Looks at Lincoln's political relationships with Seward and the others who competed with him for the Presidency. It captures well what a superb player of the political game Abraham Lincoln was
Gettysburg is well-worth a visit if you are ever in NYC, Philadelphia or Washington DC. Only a few hours drive from each and an extremely well-presented battlefield. The official guides at Gettysburg are generally excellent. I was fortunate one time to be shown around by a guide who they use for visiting Presidents and Heads of States.
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@sparky said in The American Civil War:
Ken Burns documentary is thorough and beautifully made, but slow. Shelby Foote's three-volume Civil War narrative history is incredibly informative, but at 1.2 million words is quite an investment in time.
Books I would most recommend on US Civil War:
Battle Cry of Freedom by James McPherson. Excellent on the major combatants and engagements. Written in a lucid and accessible style. Standard recommended work on topic for 25+ years.
This Republic of Suffering by Drew Gilpin Faust. An account of how men suffered how they died and how they were buried in the US Civil War. Extremely moving.
The Fiery Trial by Eric Foner. Superb analysis on Lincoln's changing views on slavery by a master historian.
Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin. Looks at Lincoln's political relationships with Seward and the others who competed with him for the Presidency. It captures well what a superb player of the political game Abraham Lincoln was
Gettysburg is well-worth a visit if you are ever in NYC, Philadelphia or Washington DC. Only a few hours drive from each and an extremely well-presented battlefield. The official guides at Gettysburg are generally excellent. I was fortunate one time to be shown around by a guide who they use for visiting Presidents and Heads of States.
Was there any serious policy of repatriating the ex-slaves back to Africa? Obviously this was done to some extent in Liberia, but I remember it being mentioned at school (probably falsely) that Lincoln's primary goal was repatriation.