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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
Really? It reminds me of their “ nuclear free moment” after four kids got molested at Labour’s neverland camp . Anything to get the deluge of terrible headlines off the top of people’s news feeds . Apparently business confidence is at its lowest since 2008 and firms are talking about laying off staff .
Kids are going to school hungry, so the government helps out by giving free lunch. I think that’s a good thing.
Measuring business confidence is junk science at best.
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@taniwharugby Marginal seats?
Seriously though what's not to like? I would like some flexibility for individual schools too best source the meal supplier.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@SammyC yep, good initiative, although I'd like to know the rational behind the deciding which schools/areas they are rolling out first in.
Lower decile schools first right?
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@canefan you'd hope so, although decile isnt an overly accurate measure...
Hope there has been thought and a transparent process go into determining where it starts (otherwise it then its a good initiative open to political bias)
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby Marginal seats?
Cynical, but you are probably correct.
Seriously though what's not to like? I would like some flexibility for individual schools too best source the meal supplier.
You spelled "sauce" for the meals wrong.
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There’s always going to be parents offloading their terrible life choices onto their kids and letting them go hungry regardless of who’s in power .
I don’t buy this suddenly becoming a huge issue for the coalition when Arderns shipped 16 polling points , Ihumātao looks like being a nightmare for future treaty settlements, kiwibuild is a farce , the economy is looking shaky and there’s another alleged rapist within labour being covered up by them .
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@canefan you'd hope so, although decile isnt an overly accurate measure...
Hope there has been thought and a transparent process go into determining where it starts (otherwise it then its a good initiative open to political bias)
Thoughtful? Considering this is the first we've heard of it I would imagine this is the result of a recent spit balling session, light on details. If it is done wrong there is great potential for waste and mismanagement
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@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
I'll criticise it, because the government doesn't know the difference between a strategy and a plan. A strategy won't feed a single person other than the ones who got a sandwich yesterday. A plan is much harder, as it has to actually deliver food to kids.
I've spent the last little while looking for any detail that specifies how they intend to achieve that. That would inform how much it will cost to set up and the every year, the risks, barriers, responsibilities / accountabilities, contractual requirements, success criteria (including measurement) and all the other things that are the difference between having an idea and actually getting something done.
And as usual there's no detail, just a well-meaning idea, like Kiwibuild, that will inevitably fail because they didn't care enough to do some farking work and produce something other than a soundbite. That's the problem with seeing your job as solely starting the conversation rather than, you know, actually doing something.
The worst thing is that there are thousands of really capable people in this country who can actually get shit done, but they'll never be asked, because the last thing an incompetent needs is someone competent showing them up.
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
The worst thing is that there are thousands of really capable people in this country who can actually get shit done, but they'll never be asked, because the last thing an incompetent needs is someone competent showing them up.
Agree entirely, the same criticism can be leveled at past national governments too.
The insinuation that this is just a devious move by a labour government to offset some bad press is what I struggle with.
The business confidence thing is such crap .....
I've seen Zollner speak a few times and heard her say that business confidence always falls when a labour government is elected, and that there is no correlation between business confidence and economic growth.
The simple fact is that a change of goverment promotes uncertainty.
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Sending your kids to school without a lunch is child abuse, and the govt just giving the kids lunch is tacitly helping with it.
I would be more impressed if the govt coupled this with bringing charges against parents that consistently do not feed a minor under there care. Instead pathetic govts like this just virtual signal at the taxpayers expense.
If anyone thinks that no lunches is the actual problem.. they are fuckwits.So actually yeah if you actually give give this more than a moments thought, there is a shit load load wrong with this initiative,
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
Sending your kids to school without a lunch is child abuse, and the govt just giving the kids lunch is tacitly helping with it.
It's certainly enabling neglect. But I think the benefits of a safety net helps the kids.
However, like JC, I have no belief that this government will even deliver this.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
Sending your kids to school without a lunch is child abuse, and the govt just giving the kids lunch is tacitly helping with it.
It's certainly enabling neglect. But I think the benefits of a safety net helps the kids.
Minimally, no lunches is a symptom. They make zero effort to even acknowledge the cause.
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@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@SammyC said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Labour desperate for some good press try the “ won’t somebody think of the children angle”.
Of course it’s worth remembering this from the last time they were in government Pukekura Horomia fended off questions about kids going to school without breakfast by saying they were deliberately skipping breakfast to stay trim .
Don’t know how anyone can criticise or even be suspicious of this initiative... good on them
The worst thing is that there are thousands of really capable people in this country who can actually get shit done, but they'll never be asked, because the last thing an incompetent needs is someone competent showing them up.
Agree entirely, the same criticism can be leveled at past national governments too.
The insinuation that this is just a devious move by a labour government to offset some bad press is what I struggle with.
The business confidence thing is such crap .....
I've seen Zollner speak a few times and heard her say that business confidence always falls when a labour government is elected, and that there is no correlation between business confidence and economic growth.
The simple fact is that a change of goverment promotes uncertainty.
Maybe business confidence falls under Labour because business know that Labour treat them badly.
This govt is terrible for business. I have delayed the hire of 2 people, simply because of the min wage increases and the uncertainty they bring.
Anyone whothinks that a proposed $20 minimum wage is not going to have a major effect on business, inflation and unemployment needs a good think. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
Sending your kids to school without a lunch is child abuse, and the govt just giving the kids lunch is tacitly helping with it.
It's certainly enabling neglect. But I think the benefits of a safety net helps the kids.
Minimally, no lunches is a symptom. They make zero effort to even acknowledge the cause.
Completely agree. But covering some of the symptoms helps the kids
With a competent government theyd be treating the cause.
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There is not one single parent in this country that cannot afford to feed their kids.
Not one.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
Sending your kids to school without a lunch is child abuse, and the govt just giving the kids lunch is tacitly helping with it.
It's certainly enabling neglect. But I think the benefits of a safety net helps the kids.
Minimally, no lunches is a symptom. They make zero effort to even acknowledge the cause.
We can't call out the negligent parents, that would hurt their feelings!
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
There is not one single parent in this country that cannot afford to feed their kids.
Not one.
Is their any parent here that can think of anything they would rather spend money on than feeding their children basic food requirements?When CF Snr sees the people taking their money to the TAB on benefit day it is clear there are people that don't
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