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@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Rhetorical question: Why does anyone give a flying leap what that self-absorbed child says. Most kids grow out of their terrible two stage.
Honestly I’m shocked it took them this long to find something like her to make the face of their movement.
You can’t criticise her because you’re mocking a child with Aspergers and ADD .
You must listen to her apparently because.......?
Anyway, as with every other flavour of the month people eventually get bored and move on . I’m thinking that when that happens the meltdown that’s on the way from a hormonal obsessed teenager who’s whole identity is tied to the attention she gets for telling off everyone for destroying the planet is a suitable punishment for her parents.
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@No-Quarter He's done it now!
I love that man.
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
You must listen to her apparently because.......?
Maybe she's right?
Not sure about the hating on this kid. I don't give a shit who she is, how narcissistic, or whatever may ail her, but she may actually be making a point that people are pissed off with politicians ignoring them. She might have actually listened to the science? Unlike the guys getting promoted and paid by the fossil fuel companies?
Just a thought.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
You must listen to her apparently because.......?
Maybe she's right?
Not sure about the hating on this kid. I don't give a shit who she is, how narcissistic, or whatever may ail her, but she may actually be making a point that people are pissed off with politicians ignoring them. She might have actually listened to the science? Unlike the guys getting promoted and paid by the fossil fuel companies?
Just a thought.
Nah, listening to her ranting hyperbole makes me want to torch an entire rainforest while taking a dump on the still warm corpse of the last black rhino.
The latest crop of climate activists are using it as a front for bringing in socialism, if we listen to them and do what they want we are fucked.
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The latest crop of climate activists are using it as a front for bringing in socialism
Therein lies part of the problem. Being pro planet should not be associated with socialism, communism, nazism, or any other 'ism. It isn't a political divide, it is common sense.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The latest crop of climate activists are using it as a front for bringing in socialism
Therein lies part of the problem. Being pro planet should not be associated with socialism, communism, nazism, or any other 'ism. It isn't a political divide, it is common sense.
Agree, these guys don't believe that though. They aren't even trying to hide it any more and them and the Swedish harpy are doing their cause no favours by trying to bring in socialist policies by stealth. Apparently the green new deal paid lip service to the environment for the first page or so and then went straight into massive government intervention and socialist policy.
These people should really go and take a dip in Lake Baikal sometime and get back to us about state control of the environment. The green movement took a hit for the first few years after the wall came down when they go to see carnage the East Germans had created on the environment.
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If she wants to talk about stolen childhoods maybe she should spare a thought for the fact that many in the generations that so outrage her grew up with missing fathers because they died fighting the Third Reich whilst her country was “neutral”. Or as neutral as you can be when you’re shipping 10 million tonnes of iron ore a year to Nazis.
As for western industrialisation, it put end to the famines that ravaged Sweden for hundreds of years and lifted the peasant class out of starvation poverty.
Greta, our generations didn’t steal your childhood, they gave you one. Maybe ask your parents what revisionism means.
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@Frank said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Siam said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Frank how did they steal her childhood? Genuine rhetorical question
ha ha - not sure how she came to that conclusion
You don't think someone may have told her?
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Quoting a bit of what a friend said on facebook
*****"Watching Greta Thunberg's speech today gave me mixed feelings. On the one hand I was so impressed that someone her age has the courage to stick-out and speak-up. On the other hand I felt uncomfortable by the way she talked to people 'How dare you!' and 'we will never forgive you'. On reflection I guess the way I was brought up was that you don't blame other people. You don't condemn others for not doing enough - you praise them for what they are doing.
And on further reflection, perhaps that way of living (where you quietly get on with making the best decisions you can without using your time to shout-down the ones making decisions you personally think aren't wise)...that way of 'politely being' that I have grown up with is no longer relevant. I felt that if I kept my head down and worked behind the scenes that would be doing my best without being rude or judgmental, without pointing the finger or moaning or whinging or shouting."*****
I just think she was so bloody disrespectful of world leaders. She is just a kid who has been given a profile that she hasn't really earned.
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2 things strike me after stumbling into this thread after a few years away from the fern.
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The fact a climate thread is sitting under the category "Politics" says it all about the current Australian predicament
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It's a strange day when you read multiple comments from an old Australian prop that could have come directly from your own mouth.
NTA, I reckon we have probably come across each other in our professional lives in some capacity.
The saga goes on!
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I have to extend some sympathy to Greta. She’s a victim of brainwashing, abuse and exploitation. The apocalyptic ideas and words that come from her lips didn’t come out of a void. They came from indoctrination and hysteria. I wouldn’t have been surprised if you’d trotted a kid onto the podium at the UN General Assembly who’d spent the entirety of their life being raised and educated by Jim Jones you might have heard a very similar speech, with the same emotional intensity and righteous indignation. The language comes straight out of extremist religion. Skeptics aren’t simply wrong — they’re evil and heretics. And if you don’t repent and change your ways, there will be no salvation, ‘cos, The End Is Nigh.
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@Salacious-Crumb I'm reminded of a guy I know in London who comes from Côte d'Ivoire. Lots of his family have been killed over the years and he said to me "Child soldiers kill you just as dead". Sympathy is fine but you can't let bad ideas flourish just because it's uncomfortable to challenge the messenger.
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While I see both sides of the Greta issue, I do think some of the criticism of her (and the general youth climate movement) is a bit ill-advised.
For whatever reason, this is an issue that really resonates with young people. In the context of the 20th century, this is not unique and it comes along from time to time in various forms.
There are good ways and bad ways to address these concerns. Saying words to the effect of 'these dumb kids need to shut up and let the grown-ups sort it out' is the worst possible way to deal with it. And I've seen plenty of criticism in Australia that is more or less saying that.
That approach just furthers the divide, and creates animosity where it's not needed.
The same thing happened with the climate protests in Sydney. It was an undeniably large turnout, and people clearly felt passionately about the issue. The sneering, cynical response of some opponents was such a bad look, IMO.
The enthusiasm to get involved in public policy is admirable in any form, and peaceful protest is a part of that. It's fine to attack the ideals behind the protest, of course, but some of the personal stuff that turns a valid discussion into a rant about Greta or 'millennials' just makes you look like an old man shaking your fist at the clouds. IMO.
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@barbarian said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
While I see both sides of the Greta issue, I do think some of the criticism of her (and the general youth climate movement) is a bit ill-advised.
For whatever reason, this is an issue that really resonates with young people. In the context of the 20th century, this is not unique and it comes along from time to time in various forms.
There are good ways and bad ways to address these concerns. Saying words to the effect of 'these dumb kids need to shut up and let the grown-ups sort it out' is the worst possible way to deal with it. And I've seen plenty of criticism in Australia that is more or less saying that.
That approach just furthers the divide, and creates animosity where it's not needed.
The same thing happened with the climate protests in Sydney. It was an undeniably large turnout, and people clearly felt passionately about the issue. The sneering, cynical response of some opponents was such a bad look, IMO.
The enthusiasm to get involved in public policy is admirable in any form, and peaceful protest is a part of that. It's fine to attack the ideals behind the protest, of course, but some of the personal stuff that turns a valid discussion into a rant about Greta or 'millennials' just makes you look like an old man shaking your fist at the clouds. IMO.
I’ll have you know I identify as an old man shaking my fist at clouds .
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
And the award for most pointless virtue signal since Bonocock said he wouldn’t get married till gay marriage is legal goes to the Spinoff
The world will keep turning without three hours of your woke as fuck content being produced
What the? They think bunking off work on full pay is a virtue?
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