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@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@NTA What is your take on coal mines in Oz in regards to emissions? The normal line I hear is its better to have them here than export the coal to nations that have low-tech or dubious regulations on burning coal. I know very little on it specifically.
Broad topic
The black coal extracted from a lot of pits in NSW is probably the best option if you are going to burn something for energy. The brown coal we have in some fields here is unsuitable for export as it releases more CO2. I forget the exact ratio but on the emissions scale for the energy market here, black coal is about 1kg / kWh emitted and brown coal around 1.15kg / kWh emitted.
The problem then is transport - add in another 100g / kWh or so for getting it from the pit to the power station, but if you take it to ship* and send it overseas, it ramps up in percentage terms. And if you offload it to a port in Outer Fuckallistan, it probably doubles overall due to inefficiences in (as you say) lower regulation markets.
*Naval and air transport need a solution for long-haul. Is it hydrogen? Maybe....
People often quote natural gas as being a palatable alternative, and quote it much lower than the 1kg mark BUT you also have to be careful with the figures provided, because they don't account for fugitive emissions i.e. unintended release of other greenhouse gases due to faulty equipment or mining practices such as pressure venting.
Coal's CO2 just sits around until you burn it. Gas could just decide to escape - hence the issue where permafrost is melting due to unseasonably warm weather, and thus releasing more trapped stuff like methane, which in turn will create more warm weather.
Feedback loops are a bitch.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Margaret Thatcher - Environmental champion- 95% reduction in the number of coal pits in less than a decade
Haha. Certainly a new way of looking at it.
I'll mention that to my wife from a Welsh coal mining valley. If you don't hear from me again I have been made into some sort of apparel.
it's so important for a husband and wife to find hobbies they both enjoy
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@mariner4life For sure, taught how to sew and everything.
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Africa May Have 90% of the World’s Poor in Next 10 Years, World Bank Says
The rate of poverty reduction in Africa “slowed substantially” after the collapse in commodity prices that started in 2014, resulting in negative gross domestic product growth on a per capita basis, according to the report. “As countries in other regions continue to make progress in poverty reduction, forecasts suggest that poverty will soon become a predominantly African phenomenon.”
The paid liars at think-tanks never talk about stuff like this. It's always the garbage Hans Rosling half-truths of "Population growth will plateaux, it's not a problem." Yeah, in 2000 and f*cking 90, when there's billions more.
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Can't for the life of me work out why people who need to work to feed their families aren't opening their arms for the death cultist brigade
In all seriousness though when you get a mob this could end very badly for some unfortunate hippies who may not be familiar with the stress of a daily London tube commute
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@Siam Maybe they might have gotten away with it on the way to work..but on the way home where folk need to go and feed their kids..nah that's just suicide. At this point I'm starting to think ER are being bankrolled by Big Coal such is their effectiveness at gaining public support to their cause.
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@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Siam Maybe they might have gotten away with it on the way to work..but on the way home where folk need to go and feed their kids..nah that's just suicide. At this point I'm starting to think ER are being bankrolled by Big Coal such is their effectiveness at gaining public support to their cause.
It was on the way to work wasn't it?
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@Bones said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Siam Maybe they might have gotten away with it on the way to work..but on the way home where folk need to go and feed their kids..nah that's just suicide. At this point I'm starting to think ER are being bankrolled by Big Coal such is their effectiveness at gaining public support to their cause.
It was on the way to work wasn't it?
Yeah it was. I read the assumption that many working class commuters at that time would be on zero hours contracts, so if they didn't turn up on time = no pay. Or shift workers coming home from a night's work. Which might partly explain the furious reaction.
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@Rembrandt said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Can't for the life of me work out why people who need to work to feed their families aren't opening their arms for the death cultist brigade
In all seriousness though when you get a mob this could end very badly for some unfortunate hippies who may not be familiar with the stress of a daily London tube commute
Right at the end of the clip: "Protest now you fucking dickhead"
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Seems the whole point of ER is creating situations of inconvenience for as many people as possible, and then harp on about how the implications for the future will be even more inconvenient... face palm city. Protesting on an electric train...
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Right, so XR started a new protest at Oxford Circus about 30mins ago. The police have made all XR protests in London illegal now, for this one the ran out and hastily erected the teepee pole thing when the lights were red, then a load of people put bicycle D-lock around their necks attaching themselves to the poles. Big police presence as you can see, everyone there risking arrest.
Anyway, as it's right outside my work, I wandered down to have a chat to some of them. Couple of students skipping out of uni, they were really friendly. It all comes down to ideology. They think best course of action is shrink western economies and redistribute all the wealth. I said capitalism / economic growth is the only thing that's going to generate the technological progress to solve/adapt to climate change. A left wing vs right wing approach.
We had some common ground in favour a global emissions trading scheme / robust carbon price to create an economic forcing function that pushes towards cleaner technology. And a reformed economic system that better captures the externalities and public cost of goods and services. They were really intelligent, well-spoken people.
I questioned whether blocking intersections is just going to piss people off more than help the cause. They said doing nothing hasn't really been working, which is also true.
They said people in 3rd world countries were seeing the effects of climate change now, and our media refuses to show it (got a bit tin foil hat-y here). I said its hard to deny those same people the chance to grow into a first world standard of living, if they can't have the emissions that go along with it. Then the discussion circled (predictably) back to wealth distribution.
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@booboo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@TeWaio said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
capitalism / economic growth is the only thing that's going to generate the technological progress to solve/adapt to climate change.
This is pretty much my opinion
It's not an opinion, it's an historical fact good enough to make predictions qhen compared to every other model.
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@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@booboo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@TeWaio said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
capitalism / economic growth is the only thing that's going to generate the technological progress to solve/adapt to climate change.
This is pretty much my opinion
It's not an opinion, it's an historical fact good enough to make predictions qhen compared to every other model.
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