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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Talk about taking an extreme as an example of the whole and getting it wrong.
This online channel runs like 'Community TV' providing the very people you mention an opportunity to not only air their views but as a model to provide work experience and opportunities in the industry to those that would not normally have such an avenue.
You may not agree with the content or find it 'not worthy' but the content is actually driven by whatever licence fee payers that want to contribute. Equal opportunity to get something back from the fee. -
@Rembrandt Yeah, because that's all the BBC does...
If we're going to stereotype all those poor working class people have got Eastenders that I pay for and don't watch.
Creating a spectrum of programmes that appeals to a range of people isn't the same as creating a number of programmes that appeal to everybody. The latter is impossible, but it's the standard you seem to be applying - i.e. if you can find something you don't approve of then the concept must be bad. A more balanced view is that programmes like The Social would NEVER get made in a commercial environment. Now I think that the person in the clip lives a life that is alien to me and the premise is superficial, but I can understand that to them it's important. Why can't they have access to tell their story?
There are a great many things that I've paid for through my taxes that I don't agree with and I don't get why this particular issue is such a hot-button one. Are you a poor working class UK licence fee payer?
Edit: Oh and by the way, UK commercial TV is ultimately ITV and Channel 5. If that's the dumb-as-fuck standard that we should aspire to count me out.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Is this really British Politics?
I’ve never even heard of The Social as it doesn’t appeal to me.
I don’t like the non-binary political argument but many do so I have no problems with this stuff on an edge media.
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@Siam said in British Politics:
@Kirwan I must have it confused, again. I thought each individual tv owner gets to choose to subscribe or not, like Netflix.
Therefore if the BBC isn't attractive then it's the BBCs failure, not a majority decision or referendum or election type result. Ergo the stupidity of the masses (an arrogant, condescending and destructive view IMO) isn't up for debate - the BBC haven't catered to their market adequately
(I think I've got the crux of the future of the BBC discussion wrong...)
For technical reasons alone, a Netflix model is out of the question (don't believe The Sun).
'The market' can already be read through BARB data. I just spent 18 months forecasting peoples reactions when TV frequencies moved on them and they may potentially have to act to carry on receiving the same channels.
I can tell you that the reaction to loss based on PSB services is measured and known (i.e. how many people would care if they couldn't see certain channels)These figures in themselves actually drive cost into the model IMO. The govt wants to see value from the licence model and to them that means as many people as possible using the services provided. To create that public demand the Beeb then enters the market for big names/personalties, fighting against the commercial broadcasters and creating a demand that, in turn, pushes those salaries up further.
Put bluntly the Beeb couldn't exist anywhere near the way it does without the licence grant. Can they look at trimming the offerings and costs? They would love to but are in a catch 22 where the public expect local and regional services (that are unviable) and expect to see 'stars' for their licence money.
They do have a huge, and successful, commercial arm to offset cost s as much as possible but the public actually want public broadcasting of some form and this is the current model. It isn't perfect but there is a hell of a lot of thinking going on to try and improve it. A Netflix model, however, is not the answer by any stretch. -
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Is this really British Politics?
I’ve never even heard of The Social as it doesn’t appeal to me.
I don’t like the non-binary political argument but many do so I have no problems with this stuff on an edge media.
Fun fact - from what I understand, according to Gender Theory if you are a man and you don't identify with all of the stereotypical masculine traits, that makes you non-binary. And as being non-binary is a subset of trans, it makes you trans as well.
Given the majority of males are not hyper-masculine and sit somewhere in between masculine/feminine, about 90% of us are actually non-binary / trans.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Is this really British Politics?
I’ve never even heard of The Social as it doesn’t appeal to me.
I don’t like the non-binary political argument but many do so I have no problems with this stuff on an edge media.
Fun fact - from what I understand, according to Gender Theory if you are a man and you don't identify with all of the stereotypical masculine traits, that makes you non-binary. And as being non-binary is a subset of trans, it makes you trans as well.
Given the majority of males are not hyper-masculine and sit somewhere in between masculine/feminine, about 90% of us are actually non-binary / trans.
I refuse to be pigeon-holed by semantics!
Damn this inappropriate use of logic and language! I'm off to record a you-tube outrage video.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
Fun fact - from what I understand, according to Gender Theory if you are a man and you don't identify with all of the stereotypical masculine traits, that makes you non-binary. And as being non-binary is a subset of trans, it makes you trans as well.
Given the majority of males are not hyper-masculine and sit somewhere in between masculine/feminine, about 90% of us are actually non-binary / trans.
Fun?
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I think the comments sum up my thoughts.
Some of the comments are great. Spotting how much that person reminded them of Beaker from the muppets! Once seen, can't be unseen.
However, while reading the comments the video was auto-playing and that person did hit on a good point. They get asked to define themselves simply so they can get charged accordingly as the prices depend of their sex.
Instead of complaint though, just play the game. Tell them you are male and save some money.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
They get asked to define themselves simply so they can get charged accordingly as the prices depend of their sex.Instead of complaint though, just play the game. Tell them you are male and save some money.
Now that is a good point. Mrs JC and I have the same hairdresser. My hair is shorter than hers, but not by a whole lot. She pays nearly double what I do. I don't want us to complain in case I get charged more.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Bones Fuck you Bones, now I have waking nightmares.
you missed the "n"
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Bones Fuck you Bones, now I have waking nightmares.
You missed out an 'n'.
haha snap!!
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@jegga said in British Politics:
Everyone humble bragging about having hair GFYs
No wonder you are so bitter at the world
I save a bloody fortune in shampoo mate .
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I think the comments sum up my thoughts.
Gold. Doyle has quite the gift in summing up these issues in so few words.
To paraphrase Douglas Murray, In the grand scheme of things woke ideology only came about last week, the rules are undefined, constantly changing and breaking these rules can have significant negative consequences on someones life and freedoms.
I listened to this interview the other day with Paul Embery who is a firefighter, trade unionist and die hard Labour supporter in regards to the divide in the Labour party between the traditional working class and the middle-class urban wokeists. I see this as reflective of the existing media (including the BBC) whose content might be disproportionally put together by this loud minority of wokeists who may be generally disconnected from audiences who don't view the world through their lens.
(This 5 minute clip is a good summary)
From what I understand despite the Sun's headline discussion at the moment regarding the license fee is just to decriminalise non-payment, its not until 2027 that there can be any removal of the fee. Just because it may be decriminalised won't mean they won't still receive their funding but I don't see any harm in the BBC getting a bit of a shakeup (and maybe that is all Boris et al are trying to achieve here) and reminder that their security isn't guaranteed if they are to venture away from impartiality guidelines or into too much London centric representation. I would think the election result should also be a bit of a wake-up call as to the UKs views as a whole.
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@Rembrandt yeah, I thought the general dissatisfaction of the BBC was more around governance than content. A lot of taxpayer money spent on achieving superficial equality with men getting pay cuts and women getting staggering compensation payouts. Perhaps another example of get woke, go broke.
Similar to the labour and lib dems parties
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