Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Machpants I got a mate out Sandy's and he said people out surfing most days, one day there was pretty much no swell but still out there.
He's a surfer too, but he hasn't been out.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants I got a mate out Sandy's and he said people out surfing most days, one day there was pretty much no swell but still out there.
He's a surfer too, but he hasn't been out.
If you live within walking distance of the surf couldn't you legitimately claim that surfing was your daily exercise?
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@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you shold something happen.
Ah right, makes sense, I wasn't even thinking about that!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
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Yep official word is no surfing, it's on the webpage. Going to the bathroom has risk, but it is essential. Driving then surfing has higher risk, but is in no fucking way essential. I'm really keen for this lock down to end in 3 weeks, the more people who follow the letter and the spirit of stay the fuck home the higher chance there is of that.
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@canefan add heart ops to that list to. A work colleague's dad was meant to have surgery in Wgtn last week for a heart issue (ongoing strokes) and it's been cancelled indefinitely.
Ongoing messaging and escalating punishment is going to be needed the longer this stretches out. Just had a yarn to the missus about how we might have responded to this as 25 year olds... a shitload better than the current crop was the answer, but it's easy to say that I guess
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan add heart ops to that list to. A work colleague's dad was meant to have surgery in Wgtn last week for a heart issue (ongoing strokes) and it's been cancelled indefinitely.
Ongoing messaging and escalating punishment is going to be needed the longer this stretches out. Just had a yarn to the missus about how we might have responded to this as 25 year olds... a shitload better than the current crop was the answer, but it's easy to say that I guess
Yes. All ops, very important to their recipients
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
Poor attitude IMO. Why should rescue staff be put at risk at contracting the virus because someone wants to surf, or go boating on the water? Go for a jog.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
Poor attitude IMO. Why should rescue staff be put at risk at contracting the virus because someone wants to surf, or go boating on the water? Go for a jog.
It's about likelihood. I hear the same argument about going for a ride. ICUs aren't currently full and I don't plan on having an accident. That's why they're called accidents.
Same for people riding pushbikes, or spraining their ankle, or having heart attacks. As largely as possible people should be having normalcy within the bounds of these restrictions. Simply because they're apparently going to be in place for a long time.
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@antipodean an accident on land is more often different scale to SAR on water...a minor injury or incident on land is easier dealt with than a minor one on the water.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
Poor attitude IMO. Why should rescue staff be put at risk at contracting the virus because someone wants to surf, or go boating on the water? Go for a jog.
It's about likelihood. I hear the same argument about going for a ride. ICUs aren't currently full and I don't plan on having an accident. That's why they're called accidents.
Same for people riding pushbikes, or spraining their ankle, or having heart attacks. As largely as possible people should be having normalcy within the bounds of these restrictions. Simply because they're apparently going to be in place for a long time.
As long as these people realize no one is coming for them if they get in trouble.... which we all know isn't going to happen. It's the biggest global health crisis in most of our lifetimes, can't we just stick to the rules?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
Poor attitude IMO. Why should rescue staff be put at risk at contracting the virus because someone wants to surf, or go boating on the water? Go for a jog.
It's about likelihood. I hear the same argument about going for a ride. ICUs aren't currently full and I don't plan on having an accident. That's why they're called accidents.
Same for people riding pushbikes, or spraining their ankle, or having heart attacks. As largely as possible people should be having normalcy within the bounds of these restrictions. Simply because they're apparently going to be in place for a long time.
We will always have that as part of living, wih Surfing and watersports we can eliminate completely the risk if they aren't on the water.
As @taniwharugby says, on land there is two people already working that can tend to a heart attack etc etc, on the water these people are only on call. It always takes more than two people to attend a water call out
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
Poor attitude IMO. Why should rescue staff be put at risk at contracting the virus because someone wants to surf, or go boating on the water? Go for a jog.
It's about likelihood. I hear the same argument about going for a ride. ICUs aren't currently full and I don't plan on having an accident. That's why they're called accidents.
Same for people riding pushbikes, or spraining their ankle, or having heart attacks. As largely as possible people should be having normalcy within the bounds of these restrictions. Simply because they're apparently going to be in place for a long time.
I disagree with @antipodean about this, but actually find real value in what he is saying. We dont want to sleep walk into a authoritarian dystopia, look at the stripping of liberties post 9/11, that went on to become permanent, we need to be REALLY careful with this. I would be lying if I said I wasnt nervous about living in effectively a police state, I think there should be incredibly tight time limits put on any legislative changes bought on by COVID 19, but that wont happen, polkiticains love taking power and hate giving it away.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback absolutely agree. I've been slightly heartened by hearing language like temporary/fixed period/limited and similar descriptions for the new normal. But unfortunately, due to the nature of the Covid beasty, that sits alongside qualifiers like indefinite, ongoing, etc.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean an accident on land is more often different scale to SAR on water...a minor injury or incident on land is easier dealt with than a minor one on the water.
Yes it is. So? That's an argument for not letting people in water anyway. Most people who get into trouble here can't swim and don't often go to the beach. Tourists who can't identify a rip, or bathe swaddled in layers of clothing. Contrast that with people who do laps everyday or have a morning surf.
If people still want to do those activities and they're complying with social distancing etc. why not simply say to them with reduced staffing levels there are consequences and repercussions? I.e. don't expect that the beaches are patrolled or someone can come save you.
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
Poor attitude IMO. Why should rescue staff be put at risk at contracting the virus because someone wants to surf, or go boating on the water? Go for a jog.
It's about likelihood. I hear the same argument about going for a ride. ICUs aren't currently full and I don't plan on having an accident. That's why they're called accidents.
Same for people riding pushbikes, or spraining their ankle, or having heart attacks. As largely as possible people should be having normalcy within the bounds of these restrictions. Simply because they're apparently going to be in place for a long time.
As long as these people realize no one is coming for them if they get in trouble.... which we all know isn't going to happen. It's the biggest global health crisis in most of our lifetimes, can't we just stick to the rules?
I don't subscribe to the notion that because it's a pandemic we need to strip our liberties and place everyone on house arrest as if we're experiencing what Spain and Italy are when we're more like Japan or Singapore. Singapore ffs - a country better known as bright North Korea isn't treating it's entire populace like we are.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean an accident on land is more often different scale to SAR on water...a minor injury or incident on land is easier dealt with than a minor one on the water.
Yes it is. So? That's an argument for not letting people in water anyway. Most people who get into trouble here can't swim and don't often go to the beach. Tourists who can't identify a rip, or bathe swaddled in layers of clothing. Contrast that with people who do laps everyday or have a morning surf.
If people still want to do those activities and they're complying with social distancing etc. why not simply say to them with reduced staffing levels there are consequences and repercussions? I.e. don't expect that the beaches are patrolled or someone can come save you.
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia I think the point with surfing, boating etc is that there is always a small risk (marginally higher than walking I guess) that you may require essential services to divert to you should something happen while on the water.
People confined to their homes should stay out of bathrooms then.
Poor attitude IMO. Why should rescue staff be put at risk at contracting the virus because someone wants to surf, or go boating on the water? Go for a jog.
It's about likelihood. I hear the same argument about going for a ride. ICUs aren't currently full and I don't plan on having an accident. That's why they're called accidents.
Same for people riding pushbikes, or spraining their ankle, or having heart attacks. As largely as possible people should be having normalcy within the bounds of these restrictions. Simply because they're apparently going to be in place for a long time.
As long as these people realize no one is coming for them if they get in trouble.... which we all know isn't going to happen. It's the biggest global health crisis in most of our lifetimes, can't we just stick to the rules?
I don't subscribe to the notion that because it's a pandemic we need to strip our liberties and place everyone on house arrest as if we're experiencing what Spain and Italy are when we're more like Japan or Singapore. Singapore ffs - a country better known as bright North Korea isn't treating it's entire populace like we are.
What's so hard about it? If it can eradicate it from NZ by preventing the spread then why not? Why should we put people at risk jjust because someone doesn't like the situation we are in?