Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Possibly, but when you look at Italy etc, the long term damage there is going to be greater. Their lockdown, now, is even harder than ours because they started late. I'm hoping that at the end of this 4 weeks, NZ will be internally open, even if not to overseas, and we can get on with stuff.
If you are going to use the Italy extreme on one side , you have consider the German one on the other side.
It appears that we aren’t on the same path as Italy, and perhaps never were.
Considering our hospital system, and in particular the lack of ICU spots, would you be comfortable taking the chance? I spoke to my mate today. They are still waiting for supplies of the right PPE and Middlemore is the covid centre for Auckland. Even now, if it slides we are fucked, and the doctors and nurses who will try to manage the outbreak will literally be laying their lives on the line
Your mate is telling lies.
Who made you the Oracle? He is on the front line and doesn't have the protective gear he needs. He offered to bring his own but was told not to because it would panic the other staff.
Just because you didn't read it on Breitbart doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Or do you moonlight at the hospital so you saw it for yourself?
Because in my warehouse I have the local supply of gowns, visors, respirators, goggles, masks and overalls for DHB They have barely been touched and the warehouse and provisioning manager said that nobody is remotely short of PPE gear nationwide. And if our national centre for wuflu was short of equipment then it would be major news and easily resolved.
I am sceptical of your stories about a "mate".Want proof? I can take photos of the pallets and pallets of PPE gear. Even write your name and place it on the photo.
You or your mate are full of shite. -
@canefan I’m not doubting it is stressful. It’s the lives on the line narrative that I can’t get my head around.
Mrs JC works with brain injured adults in a residential setting. The clients are there voluntarily (so they can’t be detained) and some of them have impaired reasoning so they can wander. Hygiene is hard to enforce. So Mrs JC is exposed to whatever they, or the other staff, bring back. So I know full well how stressful it is.
Likewise here in the Bay we have CV in nursing homes. But the total number of cases is 24 in the whole DHB catchment and to my knowledge none of the people who have CV are hospitalised. So the question arises, how are all the nurses spending their days? I don’t imagine they are cleaning, one of our friends is a hospital cleaner and says nurses just don’t clean, full stop.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback this is consistent with what we are told every day at the pressers too. There is plenty of PPE. Media just won’t let it go.
We’ve even been given numbers I don’t doubt that there are ppl who feel they should have masks etc who haven’t but if they were handed out on demand we’d have the equivalent of a toilet roll rush
I didn’t distribute PPE and sanitiser to staff because I knew a large % would go straight home
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Possibly, but when you look at Italy etc, the long term damage there is going to be greater. Their lockdown, now, is even harder than ours because they started late. I'm hoping that at the end of this 4 weeks, NZ will be internally open, even if not to overseas, and we can get on with stuff.
If you are going to use the Italy extreme on one side , you have consider the German one on the other side.
It appears that we aren’t on the same path as Italy, and perhaps never were.
Considering our hospital system, and in particular the lack of ICU spots, would you be comfortable taking the chance? I spoke to my mate today. They are still waiting for supplies of the right PPE and Middlemore is the covid centre for Auckland. Even now, if it slides we are fucked, and the doctors and nurses who will try to manage the outbreak will literally be laying their lives on the line
Your mate is telling lies.
Who made you the Oracle? He is on the front line and doesn't have the protective gear he needs. He offered to bring his own but was told not to because it would panic the other staff.
Just because you didn't read it on Breitbart doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Or do you moonlight at the hospital so you saw it for yourself?
Because in my warehouse I have the local supply of gowns, visors, respirators, goggles, masks and overalls for DHB They have barely been touched and the warehouse and provisioning manager said that nobody is remotely short of PPE gear nationwide. And if our national centre for wuflu was short of equipment then it would be major news and easily resolved.
I am sceptical of your stories about a "mate".Want proof? I can take photos of the pallets and pallets of PPE gear. Even write your name and place it on the photo.
You or your mate are full of shite.Then why the fuck aren't people working in the hospitals getting this gear? These people are not ones to lie.
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@No-Quarter It is weird, isn't it? . Experts in infectious diseases from Korea/ Japan say maskes are essential and don't understand why medical experts from other countries say they are not. Now it looks like there is a bit of a u-turn from the naysayers. Here in Japan it is just common sense that people should wear them for protection and prevention. I don't know a thing about the medical field but when doctors and nurses won't go into a hospital without them but tell the public they aren't necessary, I get friggen suspicious!
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Possibly, but when you look at Italy etc, the long term damage there is going to be greater. Their lockdown, now, is even harder than ours because they started late. I'm hoping that at the end of this 4 weeks, NZ will be internally open, even if not to overseas, and we can get on with stuff.
If you are going to use the Italy extreme on one side , you have consider the German one on the other side.
It appears that we aren’t on the same path as Italy, and perhaps never were.
Considering our hospital system, and in particular the lack of ICU spots, would you be comfortable taking the chance? I spoke to my mate today. They are still waiting for supplies of the right PPE and Middlemore is the covid centre for Auckland. Even now, if it slides we are fucked, and the doctors and nurses who will try to manage the outbreak will literally be laying their lives on the line
Your mate is telling lies.
Who made you the Oracle? He is on the front line and doesn't have the protective gear he needs. He offered to bring his own but was told not to because it would panic the other staff.
Just because you didn't read it on Breitbart doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Or do you moonlight at the hospital so you saw it for yourself?
Because in my warehouse I have the local supply of gowns, visors, respirators, goggles, masks and overalls for DHB They have barely been touched and the warehouse and provisioning manager said that nobody is remotely short of PPE gear nationwide. And if our national centre for wuflu was short of equipment then it would be major news and easily resolved.
I am sceptical of your stories about a "mate".Want proof? I can take photos of the pallets and pallets of PPE gear. Even write your name and place it on the photo.
You or your mate are full of shite.Then why the fuck aren't people working in the hospitals getting this gear? These people are not ones to lie.
They are getting the gear when needed. Either you or your mate are lying
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback this is consistent with what we are told every day at the pressers too. There is plenty of PPE. Media just won’t let it go.
We’ve even been given numbers I don’t doubt that there are ppl who feel they should have masks etc who haven’t but if they were handed out on demand we’d have the equivalent of a toilet roll rush
I didn’t distribute PPE and sanitiser to staff because I knew a large % would go straight home
The mate that BSG says is 'full of shite' is an orthopaedic consultant. I used to flat with him. At the same time our third flatmate is now an ED consultant at North Shore hospital. They both complain that there isn't enough for them at their workplaces. So there is a disconnect between what they are seeing and what is being reported and observed around the country
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@No-Quarter It is weird, isn't it? . Experts in infectious diseases from Korea/ Japan say maskes are essential and don't understand why medical experts from other countries say they are not. Now it looks like there is a bit of a u-turn from the naysayers. Here in Japan it is just common sense that people should wear them for protection and prevention. I don't know a thing about the medical field but when doctors and nurses won't go into a hospital without them but tell the public they aren't necessary, I get friggen suspicious!
There is a greater potential for exposure in hospital, and even higher when you are actually dealing with covid patients. The virus exists in aerosols and droplets which can easily find their way into your eyes, nose or mouth. That's why all the testing station staff wear gowns masks and visors
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@No-Quarter It is weird, isn't it? . Experts in infectious diseases from Korea/ Japan say maskes are essential and don't understand why medical experts from other countries say they are not. Now it looks like there is a bit of a u-turn from the naysayers. Here in Japan it is just common sense that people should wear them for protection and prevention. I don't know a thing about the medical field but when doctors and nurses won't go into a hospital without them but tell the public they aren't necessary, I get friggen suspicious!
There is a greater potential for exposure in hospital, and even higher when you are actually dealing with covid patients. The virus exists in aerosols and droplets which can easily find their way into your eyes, nose or mouth. That's why all the testing station staff wear gowns masks and visors
No way really???
There is no shortage of PPE gear at the moment, that's just a fact, one I offered to prove to you.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Possibly, but when you look at Italy etc, the long term damage there is going to be greater. Their lockdown, now, is even harder than ours because they started late. I'm hoping that at the end of this 4 weeks, NZ will be internally open, even if not to overseas, and we can get on with stuff.
If you are going to use the Italy extreme on one side , you have consider the German one on the other side.
It appears that we aren’t on the same path as Italy, and perhaps never were.
Considering our hospital system, and in particular the lack of ICU spots, would you be comfortable taking the chance? I spoke to my mate today. They are still waiting for supplies of the right PPE and Middlemore is the covid centre for Auckland. Even now, if it slides we are fucked, and the doctors and nurses who will try to manage the outbreak will literally be laying their lives on the line
Your mate is telling lies.
Who made you the Oracle? He is on the front line and doesn't have the protective gear he needs. He offered to bring his own but was told not to because it would panic the other staff.
Just because you didn't read it on Breitbart doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Or do you moonlight at the hospital so you saw it for yourself?
Because in my warehouse I have the local supply of gowns, visors, respirators, goggles, masks and overalls for DHB They have barely been touched and the warehouse and provisioning manager said that nobody is remotely short of PPE gear nationwide. And if our national centre for wuflu was short of equipment then it would be major news and easily resolved.
I am sceptical of your stories about a "mate".Want proof? I can take photos of the pallets and pallets of PPE gear. Even write your name and place it on the photo.
You or your mate are full of shite.Then why the fuck aren't people working in the hospitals getting this gear? These people are not ones to lie.
They are getting the gear when needed. Either you or your mate are lying
Well fuck you! But about the gear I'd love to buy N95 masks for work and if you know where these can be bought then great 😀
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Possibly, but when you look at Italy etc, the long term damage there is going to be greater. Their lockdown, now, is even harder than ours because they started late. I'm hoping that at the end of this 4 weeks, NZ will be internally open, even if not to overseas, and we can get on with stuff.
If you are going to use the Italy extreme on one side , you have consider the German one on the other side.
It appears that we aren’t on the same path as Italy, and perhaps never were.
Considering our hospital system, and in particular the lack of ICU spots, would you be comfortable taking the chance? I spoke to my mate today. They are still waiting for supplies of the right PPE and Middlemore is the covid centre for Auckland. Even now, if it slides we are fucked, and the doctors and nurses who will try to manage the outbreak will literally be laying their lives on the line
Your mate is telling lies.
Who made you the Oracle? He is on the front line and doesn't have the protective gear he needs. He offered to bring his own but was told not to because it would panic the other staff.
Just because you didn't read it on Breitbart doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Or do you moonlight at the hospital so you saw it for yourself?
Because in my warehouse I have the local supply of gowns, visors, respirators, goggles, masks and overalls for DHB They have barely been touched and the warehouse and provisioning manager said that nobody is remotely short of PPE gear nationwide. And if our national centre for wuflu was short of equipment then it would be major news and easily resolved.
I am sceptical of your stories about a "mate".Want proof? I can take photos of the pallets and pallets of PPE gear. Even write your name and place it on the photo.
You or your mate are full of shite.Then why the fuck aren't people working in the hospitals getting this gear? These people are not ones to lie.
They are getting the gear when needed. Either you or your mate are lying
Well fuck you! But about the gear I'd love to buy N95 masks for work and if you know where these can be bought then great
No idea. Considering if I sold DHB PPE gear then I would be in a lot of trouble. I cannot get much for my staff, and that is annoying as I look out my window and see tens of thousands of PPE gear... water water everywhere...
Don't blame me because your story is bollox
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@No-Quarter It is weird, isn't it? . Experts in infectious diseases from Korea/ Japan say maskes are essential and don't understand why medical experts from other countries say they are not. Now it looks like there is a bit of a u-turn from the naysayers. Here in Japan it is just common sense that people should wear them for protection and prevention. I don't know a thing about the medical field but when doctors and nurses won't go into a hospital without them but tell the public they aren't necessary, I get friggen suspicious!
There is a greater potential for exposure in hospital, and even higher when you are actually dealing with covid patients. The virus exists in aerosols and droplets which can easily find their way into your eyes, nose or mouth. That's why all the testing station staff wear gowns masks and visors
No way really???
There is no shortage of PPE gear at the moment, that's just a fact, one I offered to prove to you.
I was answering Samurai's question
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?
Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary
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This is good news, hopefully it means a relaxation of the lockdown is on schedule
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?
Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary
Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?
Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary
Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.
Used the supplied sanitizer and washed their hands when they got home before anything else
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?
Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary
Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.
Used the supplied sanitizer and washed their hands when they got home before anything else
Absolutely, but none of that will help if you've been in close contact with someone that has the virus, which is hard to avoid in supermarkets.
And that's what annoys me - we've shut down our entire economy for this, so by that measure its extremely serious. But when it comes to masks, which are proven to stop the spread from infectious people, we're actively going the other way and telling people not to bother. So is it serious or not? If it is then we wear masks, if it's not then we don't bother.
There are a lot of people with Covid-19 that don't know they have it. Symptoms vary from asymptomatic, to very mild, to moderate right through to severe, so this is the perfect virus to encourage the use of masks when indoors.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Then masks are effective in prevention, right? So why say they are not?
Once they are damp most standard masks cease to be an effective barrier to tiny particles. But they will catch droplets. If you have the virus then it prevents transmission because it catches your droplets when you cough or sneeze. If you don't they will catch droplets if someone happened to sneeze at you. I read an article where in China and Taiwan, for example, they recommend masks because it seemed to seemed to reduce panic in their people. Here they recommend against widespread use unless you are sick. So the reasoning behind wearing them are varied. If you live in a densely populated country, if for example you rode the underground train daily to work, I could fully understand you wearing one. But walking down the street in Auckland? Probably unneccessary
Yeah I don't think you need a mask when going for a walk outside. My understanding is the virus is far far more likely to spread indoors, for obvious reasons I'd say. That's why I wear a mask to the supermarket - put it on when I go in and bin it when I leave. If everyone did that then the virus would struggle to spread very far.
Used the supplied sanitizer and washed their hands when they got home before anything else
Absolutely, but none of that will help if you've been in close contact with someone that has the virus, which is hard to avoid in supermarkets.
And that's what annoys me - we've shut down our entire economy for this, so by that measure its extremely serious. But when it comes to masks, which are proven to stop the spread from infectious people, we're actively going the other way and telling people not to bother. So is it serious or not? If it is then we wear masks, if it's not then we don't bother.
There are a lot of people with Covid-19 that don't know they have it. Symptoms vary from asymptomatic, to very mild, to moderate right through to severe, so this is the perfect virus to encourage the use of masks when indoors.
I went to the supermarket today. Everyone was observing distance. By close contact, you can't get it unless they transfer fluids or touch you and you lick the surface. I always go home and have a shower after