Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
But what else is there to talk about?
Well, now we have George Pell...
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And here we go, Labour using the lockdown to get through their idelogy with parliament operating under lockdown. Absolutely no need to rush this in as they are trying to do.
What else are they going to try and sneak in?
I very much disagree with the content of the Bill but I have to say that Nick Smith is either very dumb or shit stirring when in that long post he totally fails to address the quite likely possibility that the Bill needs to move through in order for actions stemming from it to be implemented prior to the election.
So, if there is genuine reason to highlight select committee concerns that haven't been addressed then do so, but trying to paint a picture that this bill is more important to the govt than ones addressing violence for reasons other than timing is mischievous.Is Seymour shit shirring as well?
Or are we seeing a pattern here of Labour not wanting to waste a crisis?
No. And I agree that (as he explains it) maybe someone needs to have a rethink about the legislative programme.
My argument isn't with that point, it was with the explanation and motive of Nick Smith who failed to mention basic facts.I might have a look to see what the original timeframes on these were before coming to a conclusion. If, for example, they have had a long time in committee already and are under tactical 'delay' leading to an election then the matter changes somewhat. Most Govt try to cram things through toward the end of the term. I think it is a common gripe.
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@Kirwan I don't think it's a case of trying to rush it through as some sort of secret agenda. It's been well telegraphed as policy and they have the numbers so while I don't agree with it I'm not losing sleep.
Interestingly Matthew Hooton (hardy a leftie) thinks they should keep the current Committee overview structure post lockdown. Thinks it gives the opposition a better chance to scrutinise legislation and does away with the farcical Question Time pantomime. He said it had encouraged proper debate but singled out Seymour as being a bit of a dick.
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Personally, I don't think they should be continuing any new legislation during a lockdown with parliament basically suspended, certainly not speeding up the process and avoiding public involvement.
At best it looks slimy and dishonest.
I don't have strong opinions on the prisoner voting law, not sure that needs to change, but if they try to sneak through the hate speech stuff we are losing basic freedoms.
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@Crucial i don't see the benefit.
Of course our most heavily overseas market dependent operation could run differently. We cut down our days open, and we severely reduce the staff, and look at every aspect of the business. Survive? yes. But there are probably 50 people who don't get their jobs back. A bunch of local suppliers who lose a wedge of trade. Will we charge less? No, because that's not how it works. THe price stays the same, we adjust our costs to meet the greatly reduced turnover.
I mean, maybe you charge less. And run a worse product with no service. And then no one comes anyway.
So i don't exactly get your point to be honest. No one with half a brain is going to ramp straight in to full capacity straight away. But i very much doubt there will be a long period of cheap deals, as just trying to generate volume for volume's sake is a short term proposition.
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Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial i don't see the benefit.
Of course our most heavily overseas market dependent operation could run differently. We cut down our days open, and we severely reduce the staff, and look at every aspect of the business. Survive? yes. But there are probably 50 people who don't get their jobs back. A bunch of local suppliers who lose a wedge of trade. Will we charge less? No, because that's not how it works. THe price stays the same, we adjust our costs to meet the greatly reduced turnover.
I mean, maybe you charge less. And run a worse product with no service. And then no one comes anyway.
So i don't exactly get your point to be honest. No one with half a brain is going to ramp straight in to full capacity straight away. But i very much doubt there will be a long period of cheap deals, as just trying to generate volume for volume's sake is a short term proposition.
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
I maintain, though that some will look at things differently and ride things out while waiting for that market to return. That could obviously require adjustment and very likely job losses.
The OP here was that people may look to travel domestically and spend their travel funds as such. Some businesses will be able to adjust and take advantage of that while others won't.
Domestic tourists tend to be more self sufficient and unpredictable. They aren't going to be captured markets on a coach. For some businesses transferring tour group discounts to walk up customers may be enough to attract them in. -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
It was embarrassing. She clearly explained his punishment and how, in a normal time, he would have been sacked. Explained his punishment in detail as well. Still wasn't enough for the feral press who kept harping on.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
She said he will be demoted did she? I think that is probably what John Key would have done, and it's a darn sight more than she did to Curran(?). He's been a dick and will sit on the sidelines for the foreseeable future. But there's always a way back, just ask Crusher
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
It was embarrassing. She clearly explained his punishment and how, in a normal time, he would have been sacked. Explained his punishment in detail as well. Still wasn't enough for the feral press who kept harping on.
What I thought was unusual was that she kept entertaining that line of questioning. I'm sure I've heard her default to versions of "I've already answered that" much sooner in her press conferences over the years.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan TBF, despite being MOH, he has been rarely seen anyway, Bloomfield has taken the lead, confidently.
Makes sense. He may be the Health Minister, but on these matters he isn't the smartest person in the room
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper. NZ is not a cheap country
We're not, and we'll never compete direclty with low cost labour countries.
The cost of living here though seems much higher than (say) Australia, or even the USA. I can't always get my head around why that is. A mate returned from Aus a year or so ago, and wound up going back - cost of living was one of the major factors in that decision
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Makes sense. He may be the Health Minister, but on these matters he isn't the smartest person in the room
clearly...been a great having Bloomfield as the face and voice to lead this though
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.
I think in many places in the world it's just cheaper because the labour is cheaper
Yep, or there are no regulatory charges (national park fees etc), or rents are cheap, or the insurance requirements are minimal, there are a heap of reasons. For the vast majority of operations i have seen or spoken too, they try to offer the best product they can, for the lowest price they can. Because there are just too many options out there.
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@taniwharugby The media were asking on a previous briefing why he was no longer turning up to the off camera briefings. Were they would get the follow up details.
Just because he screwed up (not that majorly IMO), doesn't mean he can avoid doing his job.