Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
What I would like to see is the source data for Cindy's repeated assertion that 100 years ago those countries that locked down most severely came out better off economically in the medium term.
There is discussion on that subject here:
One of the links there is to a very recent paper on the subject:
Key summary from this paper:
Our analysis yields two main insights. First, we find that areas that were more severely affected by the 1918 Flu Pandemic see a sharp and persistent decline in real economic activity. Second, we find that early and extensive NPIs have no adverse effect on local economic outcomes. On the contrary, cities that intervened earlier and more aggressively experience a relative increase in real economic activity after the pandemic. Altogether, our findings suggest that pandemics can have substantial economic costs, and NPIs can have economic merits, beyond lowering mortality.
NPI = non-pharmaceutical interventions, of which social distancing is an example. Pharmaceutical interventions include vaccines, antivirals, hospital care etc.
This is all American stuff, so is more comparing cities and states to each other, but the USA is big enough that you can get some useful comparisons because state economic performance is measured in addition to federal economic performance so states can be compared to each other.
Not sure I'd place huge reliance on century old management of an outbreak with substantially different infection and mortality characteristics!
Maybe I've just been on Fern too long?
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Oh and Jacinda, yet again is smashing the global popularity contest!!!
Have to admit the Easter Bunny comment was inspired.
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It's amazing the number of people that have taken to riding bikes and absolutely suck at it.
Going down highway 27 yesterday there was a older couple two abreast and the guy was closer to the centre line that he was to the side of the road.
I think those deaths should be included in the Covid-19 stats......
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think those deaths should be included in the Covid-19 stats......
So you did actually run the stupid old bastard over?
No but boy oh boy did he get a very stern look....
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The last 100 odd posts shows what the politics forum is missing. Some great discussion with good balance across the sides and little snide remarks.
Well played.
It's great having the lefties join in the fun for a change.
Edit - probably because we actually have something more meaningful to discuss than gender identity now.
This is why we avoid the politics section, you guys are obsessed with identity politics and won't shut about gender when all we want to do is debate health care, the economy, etc etc.
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Oh and Jacinda, yet again is smashing the global popularity contest!!!
Have to admit the Easter Bunny comment was inspired.
she was beaten by a few days by, of all people, the Qld Premier.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think those deaths should be included in the Covid-19 stats......
So you did actually run the stupid old bastard over?
freezer a bit empty?
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@mariner4life oh good. I can drop back my esteemometer a notch :).
Credit to Anastasia.
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life oh good. I can drop back my esteemometer a notch :).
Credit to Anastasia.
yeah, even i had to give her credit for that one.
She's fucking useless otherwise
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Numbers look pretty good. Especially the hospitalisation number 🍩
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They have to get border controls sorted out, sounds like there is still opportunity for the virus to be carried back from abroad. I don't want to be locked down any longer than I have to be, so cleaning up the country only for some one to bring the virus back to start over again will not be cool
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There are 50 new cases - 26 confirmed and 24 probable. This takes the the total confirmed and probable cases to 1210.
- There are 12 significant clusters. Community transmission accounts for 2 per cent of cases.
- 12 people are in hospital - four in ICU, two of which are critical. 282 people have recovered.
- One person has died from coronavirus so far.
- 46,975 tests have been carried out to date - 4096 were performed yesterday.
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It’s the one major area the govt has failed, happy with everything else they have done. The lock down included. But has felt they could have stoped more cases from getting out
and if we do stamp this out inside NZ, then it's the most critical way to stop further infection
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@Virgil yeah it is frustrating, but then has been the case since they started the 'self isolation' a few weeks back, then supposedly tighter restrictions a few days later, plenty of stories circulating that it was too lax...
being as isolated as we are, strict protocols at the border should have been our first and foremost weapon in fighting this.
Although, I guess you could argue, that since these seemingly underwhelming restrictions, the numbers have shown that it has slowed the spread....
I know our tourism industry would take a hit, but shutting our borders to any non-essential travel would surely be the best approach?
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What the fuck is the govt doing?? Zero point in this lock down and the economic carnage that has happened if they leave the borders weak.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think if the world borders remain tight for a sustained period, most of the tourist dollars NZers spent outside NZ will end up being spent in NZ, one reason many dont holiday here is the cost, so if the industry wants to get back on it's feet, appealing to the average NZer that would typically go to Fiji, Gold Coast, Bali etc is going to be key.
I'm already considering where in NZ to take the family in the Winter holidays now that all planned overseas trips are canned. I think the NZ tourist industry is set to have a strong middle and second half of the year because I suspect I'm not alone
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I've just been listening to the live stream.
The testing criteria blows my mind. They raised the specific case of someone with C19 symptoms, and tests positive. The wife who lives with them doesn't qualify for a C19 test What The Actual Fark??? How the hell do we know where C19 is in the community if we're not testing people who could have been exposed to this?
My mind is blown. Hopefully someone can correct or update me, as this just doesn't make any sense to me at all