Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
Australia is one of the most urbanised nations, with 90 per cent of the population living in just 0.22 per cent of the country’s land area
that's a misleading stat, the population isn't massive, and the country is fucking enormous. The cities, while populated, are spread out.
Almost like islands...
your point still doesn't really stand.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
your point still doesn't really stand.
My point was that most Aussies live relatively close to each other. Yes, not NYC close (that was a straw man) but the population mostly lives in greater urban areas.
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
your point still doesn't really stand.
My point was that most Aussies live relatively close to each other. Yes, not NYC close (that was a straw man) but the population mostly lives in greater urban areas.
I just used those as examples of cities that are faring badly in the pandemic. How about the greater Auckland population density is 1,210 people per square kilometre? I'd say that is relevant
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
your point still doesn't really stand.
My point was that most Aussies live relatively close to each other. Yes, not NYC close (that was a straw man) but the population mostly lives in greater urban areas.
i get what you are saying, i am saying it's not really relevant. Yes, they live in coastal cities, but those cities are not densely populated, by nearly any metric. Melbourne and Sydney are fucking massive.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
The HK vs NYC comparison shows what a great job HK did.
Either that or shows the difference a compliant population makes.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
The HK vs NYC comparison shows what a great job HK did.
Either that or shows the difference a compliant population makes.
little from column A, little from column B?
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
The HK vs NYC comparison shows what a great job HK did.
Either that or shows the difference a compliant population makes.
Both. Quick assertive action by authorities and compliance from the population
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Sure, I lived in Sydney for years. More than the population of NZ is in that relatively small space
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
The HK vs NYC comparison shows what a great job HK did.
Either that or shows the difference a compliant population makes.
little from column A, little from column B?
99% column B if you ask me. I have little New York experience (probably around 20 days in total) compared to 12 years in HK, but I know which population I'd trust in a pandemic.
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Sure, I lived in Sydney for years. More than the population of NZ is in that relatively small space
Urban Sydney has a popuation density of 1,237 persons per square kilometre. Same as AKLD
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Urban Sydney has a popuation density of 1,237 persons per square kilometre. Same as AKLD
Yes people in Auckland and Sydney live close to each other. Of course there's a lot more people in Sydney though
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Urban Sydney has a popuation density of 1,237 persons per square kilometre. Same as AKLD
Yes people in Auckland and Sydney live close to each other. Of course there's a lot more people in Sydney though
But we were arguing over my point which was about population density. Not total population?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
Mrs CF works with a Japanese woman. Was zooming her today and apparently the government are raising the awareness level again because cases are growing apparently. And there is some lock down fatigue setting in (apparently the government aren't allowed to order a lockdown, can only recommend)
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
Overall health is a key thing too in my opinion. Japan & South Korea have probably some of the healthiest populations in the world.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Think of it as half a dozen islands. Those islands are relatively dense.
A quick google search yields the following population density numbers
Average London 5,590 people per square km
Average NYC 25,846 people per square Km
Greater Melbourne 508.175 people per square Km
Dramatic differences
Why would you compare the density of cities with "greater Melbourne" which is largely urbanised? The same issue with Sydney if you include Western Sydney it dramatically alters the numbers.
I'm happy for you to post those numbers (greater knowledge of the topography), I'm curious to see if my assertion holds up
It's clear to me that a multitude of factors are at play. Population density must surely play a part in the ease of transmission. The fastidiousness with which populations clean themselves etc. That alone explains to me why Tokyo hasn't exploded despite an aged population, tremendous reliance on public transport and high density living.
Here in the ACT some commentators are using our innate social distancing resulting from the layout of the place as a reason for the low spread.
Mrs CF works with a Japanese woman. Was zooming her today and apparently the government are raising the awareness level again because cases are growing apparently. And there is some lock down fatigue setting in (apparently the government aren't allowed to order a lockdown, can only recommend)
The lock down fatigue I understand. A Japanese friend of my wife who lives in Hong Kong has been WFH since December so although I'm getting a little irritated by people saying I shouldn't go for a ride to break the cabin fever I keep in mind others aren't as fortunate. And I maintain hope that our public figures use reason now that the panicking should have subsided.
I'm somewhat surprised at my own reaction given this was once my life:
The big difference was I voluntarily participated and enjoyed it...
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China bought up a lot of our PPE before it hit here
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120927408/new-zealanders-caught-short-after-masks-sent-to-china
And this from Seymour shows @canefan is not the only person that has heard from frontline health workers who say they don't have the gear they need:
Act leader David Seymour said the Government needed to "come clean" on PPE.
"[Reports of a shortage] clearly signal there's an issue with the raw materials, the manufacturing, or the logistics. But we're also told by David Clark and Ashley Bloomfield that the Ministry of Health has sufficient stocks of PPE ready to be used.
"Either we're swimming in PPE, as the Minister and Director-General keep telling us, or frontline health workers can't get it, as they keep telling us. Both stories can't be true.
"Clearly the problem is that the Ministry and the district health boards are not doing a competent job of getting existing PPE to frontline health workers."