Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Oh good another University professor telling us it is all ok that people are being ruined. Hi specialty of 'ethics' probably doesn't extend to voluntarily going without pay for a couple of years until the recession is over... and then giving his house away. That sort of pain is for others.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120956042/lets-not-end-lockdown-early
What an utterly pointless article that is. It doesn't even make an argument, instead it's a shit timeline with some personal anecdotes.
No it has a point. Cheerleading the govt.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A comparison.
Spoke with my brother in Ta$man yesterday. Where I am in Australia is very similar to Ta$man in population and way of life, I'd say. Imagine a largely rural area with a central town of 25k (Blenheim size in this example) and a radius of about 100-250 kms emanating out to a population of about 50-70k.
How does life in that equivalent area in NZ compare to one in Aus as of last night?
We deliver freight for TNT and Startrack (Auspost parcel courier arm) in the 25k town, so I know everything that's open and who's still trading and who's decided to sit it out and what residential deliveries there are from online shopping and the volume of commerce going on, essentially.
Here's whats open for business, just like pre lockdown.
Supermarkets
Pharmacies
Bunnings, Mitre 10, all tradie suppliers, even mom and pop ones
Music shop,
sports shops
fishing shop
every bakery
every corner shop and petrol station roadhouse
All the butchers and fruiterers
A coffee shop
All the fast food outlets
Rural supplies places, all of them
All farming vehicles and machinery shops
Tradies, all of them. Mate got the slab for his new GJ Gardner house poured yesterday
Specsavers
vets
Big W, Kmart
Computer places and retails
Harvey Norman
The key cutting guy in the mall
about 30 -50% clothing retail (chicks shops) are open but online stock is being delivered
All the council staff still mowing and leaning on shovels
Golf courses are open and being tended to. Lots of golfers yesterday arvo
Timber mills, log trucking
All car repairs and garages andcar shops, supercheap repco etc
All heavy engineering companies
All car yards and wreckers
Earthworks and road works
Farming
Curtains and furniture shops
A sewing shop
Car stereo repair places
The pubs sell take away counter meals
All bottleshops, Dan murphys and pub bottlos
dollar shops
Spotlight and haberdasheries
window washers
car detailers
many many lawn mowing services
home handyman and repair services
All the trucking and freight companiesyou get the picture.
All those people employed above going to work everyday as usual, pretty much. Absolutely many are watching all their profitability slide before them and for many being open and trading is a daily disappointment in turnover, but at least it's something, and they're doing something, according to them.
There are no supermarket queues here, just an in door and out door. Everyone observes the distancing with willingness.
If you need to buy anything at the moment you drive to the shop, get what you want and go back home. Shops are very empty but a trickle of traffic and more delivery options for people to consume. Many having a crack at online selling. (Did I hear no door to door courier deliveries in NZ???) A slight swelling in residential deliveries and people buying the usual, cosmetics, camping gear, car accessories, and expecting that to increase.Closed for business and no way to even trickle in revenue:
Pubs
RSL
Cafes
Restauarants
Gyms
Office workers working from home a lot is another disruptionThere'll be others I think of later but talking with the bro, both parties were a bit surprised at the difference the ditch makes.
So that's a comparison of life in oz vs nz at the minute. No judgement intended, just observations. I don't know much about the scene in NZ currently, but it sounds a bit different
Similar to Qld. Certainly a lot less activity but it seems to me work is encouraged where it can be considered low risk (as opposed to just essential).
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12324069
An Australian epidemiologist questions whether Aussie is finding all their more minor cases.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12324069
An Australian epidemiologist questions whether Aussie is finding all their more minor cases.
Nobody is finding all their minor cases. Does it matter?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Currently, not really, later on, those are the ones that will cause numbers to flare back up if they are missed and not controlled.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12324069
An Australian epidemiologist questions whether Aussie is finding all their more minor cases.
Nobody is finding all their minor cases. Does it matter?
Aus testing proportionately more than NZ? So...
(Admission, I'm not reading the article, I just take it as a "Cindy is still the best" excuse)
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Absolutely sick death of the govt propaganda being repeated by the media that NZ was on the same trajectory as Italy and Spain, that is just bullshit.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Absolutely sick death of the govt propaganda being repeated by the media that NZ was on the same trajectory as Italy and Spain, that is just bullshit.
Are you? You poor thing, of all the things to make you sick. You seem to be taking this harder than most I have seen or heard of.
The doom and gloom around everything is kind of funny to watch unravel
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo come on, that’s not necessary.
There is nothing wrong with being sceptical and questioning the government’s PR.
Especially when they use a dodgy line of logic.
I agree. I certainly don't mind the question being asked of.
I just don't agree with the utter despair that ole mate is portraying.
I think we will see this out and go through a bit of hurt and all carry on.
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Some people are going to be more effected than others. My life has barely changed.
Baron has had suicidal people calling him desperate about their future.
We should care even if doesn’t effect us. That hurt is going to devastating for some people. We should be trying to minimise it as much as possible
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Some people are going to be more effected than others. My life has barely changed.
Baron has had suicidal people calling him desperate about their future.
We should care even if doesn’t effect us. That hurt is going to devastating for some people. We should be trying to minimise it as much as possible
Yeah I get that, I don't care enough, I have to admit as I'm selfish in that way. I worry about people close to me not people that I have never met.
I just think some are over-reacting and that is their prerogative, I get that.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
GET FUCKED:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12323354
What else do your betters determine is bad for you?
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Absolutely sick death of the govt propaganda being repeated by the media that NZ was on the same trajectory as Italy and Spain, that is just bullshit.
Are you? You poor thing, of all the things to make you sick. You seem to be taking this harder than most I have seen or heard of.
The doom and gloom around everything is kind of funny to watch unravel
Oh you seem to have misunderstood, I will be personally fine regardless. If my business fails I have separated my properties and other business from the at risk business.
I am not that stressed out for myself, I am stressed out for some people who work for me, they are good men who have hard lives and tough childhoods. I used to think I understood that as I grew up very working class.... but I didn't really, I still don't, ...but I am closer.
When I read your post it didn't fire me up, it just reminded me of many people I know, good people, but completely and utterly out of touch with the struggling and incredibly spoilt by years of advantage. And I am sure I am taking it harder than most you know, but likely says more about the people you know.
As I get older I appreciate 2 things more and more, 1) personal liberty and freedom 2) A proper safety net to help the struggling.
So yeah the govt actions attack both those things that I cherish. I think becoming a Dad also changed my attitude as our generation is squandering so many basic freedoms at break neck speed... and whilst I will be fine because I will be able to finance my own future, my kids are growing up in a different and less free world , so if all a middle age middle class guy can do is argue his case on the internet, I will, and I won't let some other middle aged middle class guy being an obnoxious ostrich deter me.
I know I am in the minority, and your attitude is the majority. But I don't care as I believe what I believe. And the majority usually have no idea what the heck they talking about. Of course you take that to the next level by not only having little idea, but you mock others for caring.
And this isn't political, both parties would have done this. -
I think two things can be true with the NZ response (as we sit here right now).
Firstly, it has served to lessen the impact of the disease from potentially very nasty to very manageable. It may never have been as bad as Italy, but still it could have resulted in hundreds or thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Secondly, it may have been possible to achieve similar results with a lighter touch that doesn't have the same impact on business and the economy.
From my outside view it seemed like Ardern and her team took a punt on a hard, fast lockdown that would see NZ fall to zero cases and a Corona-free nation. They could then prosper while the world rids itself of the disease, and quickly make up the impact of the harder lockdown.
But if NZ can't get to that zero-case world (which we're not sure is even possible), then the harder lockdown might have all been a bit too much. Might be too early to tell, and it's certainly not a worst case scenario regardless, but it might not be as amazing a move as some are making it out to be.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
But if NZ can't get to that zero-case world (which we're not sure is even possible), then the harder lockdown might have all been a bit too much. Might be too early to tell, and it's certainly not a worst case scenario regardless, but it might not be as amazing a move as some are making it out to be.
100%. Was saying this at the dinner table tonight. The upside could be massive - if we have largely eliminated it from the population. If not, then it was a massive cost to bear for limited upside