Coronavirus - Overall
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Sounds like this immigrant isn't included
Nor Jenny from Invercargill.
Wonder why that could be?
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Oh well, had to happen I guess...
Spot on
Excellent poem
Nothing but admiration for ALL the NHS workers, regardless of backgrounds. But importing workers for key services is no replacement for having the gumption to train sufficient of the local population to provide same. That goes for Poland, Brazil, Ghana, NZ, etc. as much as the UK.
So I suspect I actually disagree strongly with the 'message' -- if it is unlimited UK immigration ought to be encouraged.
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What I take from this, is that NZ should definitely have favoured the economy at the expense of lockdown...
Sweden has passed the grim milestone of 1,000 coronavirus deaths, far exceeding the tolls of its nearest neighbours, but suggested it may be nearing the outbreak’s peak as scientists continue to question the government’s light-touch approach.
The Public Health Agency announced a death toll of 1,203 people from Covid-19 on Wednesday, a rate of 101 per million inhabitants, compared to 51 in Denmark and just 11 in Finland, both of which imposed strict early lockdowns to curb the virus’s spread.
Sweden’s per-million tally is also significantly higher than the 37 recorded in Germany and the comparable US figure of 79 – but remains lower than the UK’s rate of 182 and far below Italy’s 348 and Spain’s 386.
Anders Wallensten, the deputy chief epidemiologist, said the number of new Covid-19 cases was starting to decline and he was “cautiously positive” Sweden was approaching the peak. Officials said the health system was coping.
Polling suggests many Swedes continue to support the government’s strategy, which has entailed urging citizens to take personal responsibility for following physical distancing guidelines rather than strictly enforcing mandatory rules.
While authorities have closed senior high schools and banned gatherings of more than 50 people, they have asked – rather than ordered – people to avoid non-essential travel, work from home and stay indoors if they are over 70 or are feeling ill.
Statistics show roughly half the Swedish workforce is now working from home, public transport usage has fallen by 50% in Stockholm and the capital’s streets are about 70% less busy than usual – but Swedes are still able to shop, go to restaurants, get haircuts and send children under 16 to class even if a family member is ill.
The government’s refusal to close primary and junior high schools – and authorities’ insistence that only children who are themselves ill may stay at home – has caused some families and teachers particular concern, staff and parent groups have said.
Healthy students who have been kept out of school by anxious parents have been threatened with referral to social services, while concerned families and school staff have written open letters describing the government’s policy as “unacceptable” and arguing that it is “risking the lives of children, relatives and staff”.
In one letter published last week in Aftonbladet newspaper, more than 900 teachers and school staff said it was impossible for schools and daycare facilities to observe physical distancing recommendations, adding that “in many cases” children with infected family members had obeyed instructions to attend school, meaning “we are not able to protect children and educators in at-risk groups”.
Anders Tegnell, the country’s chief epidemiologist, has described the Swedish approach as an attempt to ensure “a slow spread of infection and that the health services are not overwhelmed”, arguing that it is important for a part of the population to acquire immunity.
Tegnell has denied trying to build rapid “herd immunity” to the virus, a strategy originally adopted by the UK and the Netherlands before projected soaring death numbers prompted those countries to change course.
Some experts have speculated that Sweden’s approach to managing the spread of the virus may also be influenced by its demographic profile – more than 50% of households are single-person – and relatively low population density of about 25 people per square kilometre, compared, for example, to 205 in Italy.
Although the longer-term impact is obviously unknown, Sweden’s strategy is not expected to preserve the country’s economy this year any more than those of countries imposing stricter lockdowns: Magdalena Andersson, the finance minister, said on Wednesday GDP could shrink by 10% this year and unemployment rise to 13.5%.
The strategy has also come under fire from some of the country’s scientists. A group of 22 doctors, virologists and researchers on Tuesday criticised the health agency in an op-ed published by Dagens Nyheter newspaper.
“The approach must be changed radically and quickly,” the group wrote. “As the virus spreads, it is necessary to increase social distance. Close schools and restaurants. Everyone who works with the elderly must wear adequate protective equipment. Quarantine the whole family if one member is ill or tests positive. Elected representatives must intervene, there is no other choice.”
Tegnell rejected the criticism and disputed the figures on which it was based. He previously said Sweden and its neighbours were on “different places on the curve”, and that Sweden had “unfortunately had a large spread of contagion in care homes for the elderly, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries”.
The chief epidemiologist has repeatedly stressed that the world is in uncharted territory with the coronavirus, arguing that while Sweden might have more infections in the short term, it will not face the risk of a huge infection increase that many other countries might face once their strict lockdowns are lifted.
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@Billy-Tell Not sure if this will show the daily deaths graph, which is impressive:
If not, you need to find the graph, Tidsserie: Avlidna per dag
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow I don't get it, why is it spot on?
Selective quoting
Read both paragraphs
"A video featuring UK residents and people of foreign heritage reciting an anti-racist poem has highlighted the crucial role immigrant workers are playing in the Covid-19 outbreak.
You Clap for Me Now, penned by Darren James Smith, features Britons with black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds who are key workers during the global pandemic – including doctors, nurses, teachers, shopkeepers and delivery drivers, many of whom have previously experienced discrimination"
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow I don't get it, why is it spot on?
Selective quoting
Read both paragraphs
"A video featuring UK residents and people of foreign heritage reciting an anti-racist poem has highlighted the crucial role immigrant workers are playing in the Covid-19 outbreak.
You Clap for Me Now, penned by Darren James Smith, features Britons with black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds who are key workers during the global pandemic – including doctors, nurses, teachers, shopkeepers and delivery drivers, many of whom have previously experienced discrimination"
Nope, I still don't get the point.
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@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Anders Wallensten, the deputy chief epidemiologist, said the number of new Covid-19 cases was starting to decline and he was “cautiously positive” Sweden was approaching the peak. Officials said the health system was coping.
Protecting health systems has been the reason some countries have given for lockdowns. Makes you wonder if Sweden's modelling showed it's health system could cope while the UK modelling showed the opposite.
That said, the fact the UK has 2,000+ spare acute care hospital beds at the peak of the virus is pretty impressive and a tribute to the politicians, NHS management, Clinicians, Armed Forces and the commercial sector.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
"A video featuring UK residents and people of foreign heritage reciting an anti-racist poem has highlighted the crucial role immigrant workers are playing in the Covid-19 outbreak.
But why single out "UK residents and people of foreign heritage" (dog-whistle for non-white) for special praise over UK residents of UK heritage doing crucial roles?
Is a non-BAME NHS doctor less deserving of praise than a BAME doctor?
What's the point?
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@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Yeah sure. I bet all the racists who were out clapping are thinking twice! That'll teach em!
Probably won't clap anymore.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Surely any immigrants who wanted to stay would have registered for settled status. If not, they can't complain?
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
That's how I read it.
Especially for those born & bred in the UK.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Surely any immigrants who wanted to stay would have registered for settled status. If not, they can't complain?
I don't think it has anything much to do with settled status etc or being eligible to stay. It is to do with many of these people, some immigrants, some British from a different background experiencing racism and now having people standing outside their front doors clapping for them every Friday.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Yeah sure. I bet all the racists who were out clapping are thinking twice! That'll teach em!
Probably won't clap anymore.
Quite. And to paraphrase myself. Sometimes a fluffybunny is just a fluffybunny.
Not much you can do about such people.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Surely any immigrants who wanted to stay would have registered for settled status. If not, they can't complain?
I don't think it has anything much to do with settled status etc or being eligible to stay. It is to do with many of these people, some immigrants, some British from a different background experiencing racism and now having people standing outside their front doors clapping for them every Friday.
Hard for me to relate to that personally, but I can understand the feelings of hypocrisy.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Surely any immigrants who wanted to stay would have registered for settled status. If not, they can't complain?
I don't think it has anything much to do with settled status etc or being eligible to stay. It is to do with many of these people, some immigrants, some British from a different background experiencing racism and now having people standing outside their front doors clapping for them every Friday.
Only a truly evil, ignorant bastard would do it a day late...
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Surely any immigrants who wanted to stay would have registered for settled status. If not, they can't complain?
I don't think it has anything much to do with settled status etc or being eligible to stay. It is to do with many of these people, some immigrants, some British from a different background experiencing racism and now having people standing outside their front doors clapping for them every Friday.
Perhaps we need a register of right-on, non-racist people who are allowed to clap for the NHS....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Surely any immigrants who wanted to stay would have registered for settled status. If not, they can't complain?
I don't think it has anything much to do with settled status etc or being eligible to stay. It is to do with many of these people, some immigrants, some British from a different background experiencing racism and now having people standing outside their front doors clapping for them every Friday.
Perhaps we need a register of right-on, non-racist people who are allowed to clap for the NHS....
Now you know that wasn’t the gist of my point 🙄
But having said that I do think we need someone to be the arbiter if what is socially acceptable. Would it be considered infra-dig for me to nominate me?
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones @Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
I took it as don’t clap for me today and then tell to to fuck off back to my own country when this is all over. Maybe simplistic but sometimes a good cigar is just a good cigar.
Surely any immigrants who wanted to stay would have registered for settled status. If not, they can't complain?
I don't think it has anything much to do with settled status etc or being eligible to stay. It is to do with many of these people, some immigrants, some British from a different background experiencing racism and now having people standing outside their front doors clapping for them every Friday.
Only a truly evil, ignorant bastard would do it a day late...
See. No one really cares.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But having said that I do think we need someone to be the arbiter if what is socially acceptable.
I thought that was Kim Khardashian