Coronavirus - Overall
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Using the Chinese counting method?
I'm sure they'll just burn a witch or two.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Surely that's just a reflection on the countries doing mass testing and the costs of those tests?
And where is this!'China World?'
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@MiketheSnow Yeah that's a ton of it. I don't trust the numbers from Vietnam for example.
Maybe some of the poorer countries are in hotter areas or the southern hemisphere too.
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Story on Sky News this morning, really sad one about a 29yo who was volunteering as a carer, died of COVID.
Interview with his 25yo fiancee who stressed people have to stay home, we can't lift lockdown, calling people complacent. Was a bit uncomfortable with a clearly grieving person being on the soapbox like that, but fine.
Then, both interviewer and interviewee stressed that the victim was young and otherwise healthy. No mention at all of the fact they both probably have a BMI > 40 and obesity is a known COVID comorbidity
I don't mean to be callous, but it just feels like the media are almost gleefully seeking stories like this out to ram the "COVID = bad stay home forever" message down our throats. The poor guy died of a cardiac arrest as they tried to roll him over whilst he was on a ventilator.
Chalked up as a COVID death, but would that have happened to a person of normal weight? I guess on the other hand without COVID he could've lived happily to old age at that BMI, so it goes both ways.
Just found the whole narrative from Sky to be a bit misleading really.
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@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Story on Sky News this morning, really sad one about a 29yo who was volunteering as a carer, died of COVID.
Interview with his 25yo fiancee who stressed people have to stay home, we can't lift lockdown, calling people complacent. Was a bit uncomfortable with a clearly grieving person being on the soapbox like that, but fine.
Then, both interviewer and interviewee stressed that the victim was young and otherwise healthy. No mention at all of the fact they both probably have a BMI > 40 and obesity is a known COVID comorbidity
I don't mean to be callous, but it just feels like the media are almost gleefully seeking stories like this out to ram the "COVID = bad stay home forever" message down our throats. The poor guy died of a cardiac arrest as they tried to roll him over whilst he was on a ventilator.
Chalked up as a COVID death, but would that have happened to a person of normal weight? I guess on the other hand without COVID he could've lived happily to old age at that BMI, so it goes both ways.
Just found the whole narrative from Sky to be a bit misleading really.
Although hosted by @antipodean 's favourite Scottish Doctor and journo ABC's 'Coronacast' yesterday discussed how obesity is now THE number one comorbidity. And it is becoming likely that complications directly due to obesity, it's effect on the immune system most likely, are leading to a lot of the worst cases and deaths.
They did emphasize that it was unproven but the case was getting stronger.
Hence some of the previously identified comorbidities (diabetes, hypertension, heart disease) may be less likely to have a direct effect, but are correlated because they are correlated with obesity.
Good thing I'm losing weight.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Surely that's just a reflection on the countries doing mass testing and the costs of those tests?
And where is this!'China World?'
Which brings me to @Tim 's post and my completely I'll informed speculation.
Poorer countries have:
- less vulnerable people (not as old, not as inclined to lifestyle afflictions like obesity, diabetes, heart disease)
- less organised and less efficient health and reporting systems
Just thunks.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
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After Regeneron announced a setback on Monday with its research on the use of Kevzara in fighting the pandemic, hopes for the anti-inflammatory IL-6 class waned considerably. But now a group of researchers in France are cheering on a win in a controlled, randomized study of Roche’s rival Actemra, which has the same mode of action. And Roche cited it as part of the case for this drug as they push through their own Phase III.
News reports from France suggest solid evidence of success in Covid-19 patients, but there were no data to back up the boast.
What investigators did say was that in a randomized test involving 129 moderate to severe Covid-19 cases, the drug arm adding Actemra to standard of care did “significantly” better in reducing the number of deaths or need for ventilators at day 14. If that holds up, it would be a major advance for the field as the world anxiously awaits any evidence that drugs exist to fight the severe immune reactions triggered by the new virus.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
It blew my mind how bad it was. I love how the author talked about fat shaming and then somehow also made it racist.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
One of the worst articles I have ever had the misfortune to read in my entire life.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
Yes. Openly.
I have a close relative whose clinically obese, and has recently finally started getting some of the health problems associated with it. Nothing is ever her fault, it's always somebody elses. First on the campaign to get smoking out of bars, and applauds every time is tax is raised.
What is it now, 80% of a cost of a cig is tax? Why not do the same to unhealthy food then? that'll be 70-80 for a feed of KFC and 15-20 for a bag of sweets. Same reasoning, it's unhealthy and it kills you. Shit load more people out there now going to die early (and take up medical resources) due to obesity, than smoking related health issues.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
Yes. Openly.
It's one the articles that makes me wonder if we are in fact in the depths of a culture war. The world perspective is so different from mine that I struggle to understand it. Still, everyone gets their viewpoint adn the freedom to air it, even if I don't support it.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Obesity is a medical condition.
Hater.
Read this, and be educated.
Good god that's a terrible article.
Hater.
Why not do the same to unhealthy food then? that'll be 70-80 for a feed of KFC.
You shut your goddamn dirty mouth @MajorRage . I think we’ve established over the past 5 weeks that KFC is one of the 6 major food groups.
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Just heard a part of a radio interview with a Prof from the University of Qld who are working on a vaccine .
Hoping to go to human trials in July.
Apparently from that point it's usually a year until made available.
They're obviously hoping to reduce that timeframe.
Apparently (again) they were one of three vaccine developers who were given some sort of heads up by CEPI (Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations - who sound officialish) back in January due to their awesomeness.
(Maybe @Tim can explain CEPI?)
Further, he mention there's something like 115 programmes worldwide researching a vaccine.
Hopes high, but some time off.
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Just on vaccine trials. Years ago I volunteered for a dengue vaccine trial looking to provide protection against the four serotypes (which basically means you can be infected four times). As far as I know, a vaccine against all four still doesn't exist, but as a benefit I'm lab confirmed to have developed antibodies against all four strains.
This was about two decades ago.