Coronavirus - Overall
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@antipodean I am sure the airlines will be happy with losing profits due to fewer seats, or the passengers will appreciate being charged extra
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Airlines and airports must adopt even more measures against the spread of COVID-19:
Passengers should be screened for elevated temperatures and all employees should be required to wear masks and gloves, according to prepared testimony by Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington's School of Public Health.
Bitch, do you know what an arseache it was like to fly before this?
I don’t give a goddamn. I fly up the front, the rest of you can suck the plague or not, don’t care.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Airlines and airports must adopt even more measures against the spread of COVID-19:
Passengers should be screened for elevated temperatures and all employees should be required to wear masks and gloves, according to prepared testimony by Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington's School of Public Health.
Bitch, do you know what an arseache it was like to fly before this?
I don’t give a goddamn. I fly up the front, the rest of you can suck the plague or not, don’t care.
BAN THIS ELITEST fluffybunny!!!!
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Airlines and airports must adopt even more measures against the spread of COVID-19:
Passengers should be screened for elevated temperatures and all employees should be required to wear masks and gloves, according to prepared testimony by Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington's School of Public Health.
Bitch, do you know what an arseache it was like to fly before this?
I don’t give a goddamn. I fly up the front, the rest of you can suck the plague or not, don’t care.
I don't care about the peasants in the back, it's getting from the kerb to the lounge that's the problem.
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you too
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@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Ironically his mistress is Ms Staats.
Always suspected Neil Fergusson was massaging and fiddling his Staats.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Ironically his mistress is Ms Staats.
Always suspected Neil Fergusson was massaging and fiddling his Staats.
Well played
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This is not a glowing endorsement of Britain's covid-19 response.
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Just had the following comment on the Coronavirus crisis from a Facebook friend which struck a chord. (He recently retired as a v. successful CEO and is a seriously top bloke )
"Leaders make their decisions under time pressure and looking through the blurred front windscreen, obscured by bad weather and lots of fast moving obstacles.
Historians look through the rear windscreen with the benefit of all the factual information available with total hindsight.
Commentators criticise with minimal knowledge and zero consequences of action
Most journalists will just write any old crap."*
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I'm wary of reading too much into articles like this.
A lot of the people quoted criticising the government on Coronavirus too often turn out to have seriously political axes to grind and often what's said turns out to be laughable bollocks or so biased as to be useless. The Sunday Times article and the Panorama PPE programme being two cases in point.
Of course there have made fuck-ups and wrong decisions taken, but it's way too early to say if they should have been different based on what was known at the time or which politician was in charge.
Not that you'd expect don't expect the UK media to understand this or do much serious fact-checking or analysis......
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
This is not a glowing endorsement of Britain's covid-19 response.
Very interesting article, @antipodean . Touches on the obvious weak spot in UK response.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm wary of reading too much into articles like this.
A lot of the people quoted criticising the government on Coronavirus too often turn out to have seriously political axes to grind and often what's said turns out to be laughable bollocks or so biased as to be useless. The Sunday Times article and the Panorama PPE programme being two cases in point.
Couldn't agree more.
Of course there have made fuck-ups and wrong decisions taken, but it's way too early to say if they should have been different based on what was known at the time or which politician was in charge.
Not that you'd expect don't expect the UK media to understand this or do much serious fact-checking or analysis......
@Victor-Meldrew I entirely agree about the tendency of press to make Harry Hindsight judgements.
However, in this case, the vulnerability of care homes was apparent as far back as mid-March.
The most critical lockdown was to care homes. The plan should have been to test carers DAILY and eliminate visitors.
In other words to aim to keep CV right out of the system.
In practice, I suspect there were at least two problems:
- Shortage of testing materials; and
- Insufficient back up staff. On the basis a fair number of carers tested positive, where could the reserves be sourced from?
Nevertheless, the imperatives weren't hard to identify, so to my mind had the Government been on the ball (or not so focused on NHS) I'd have thought by Easter a proper plan could have been put in place.
That would have allowed a bigger relaxation now.
As is, it seems only yesterday that it was admitted at the daily briefing there WAS a problem.
Having said ALL that, care homes aside, I don't think UK has done a bad job.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Shortage of testing materials; and
Insufficient back up staff. On the basis a fair number of carers tested positive, where could the reserves be sourced fromFair points.
I understand the problem is that care staff go from home to home - i.e care homes staff are shared - and that carers could be infected transmit the disease but not long enough to show up positive on a test, but I'm no expert.
They did announce that vulnerable people would be shielded early on and it does make you wonder if there was an assumption Local Government would be doing this for care homes and it kinda fell thru the cracks.
Having said ALL that, care homes aside, I don't think UK has done a bad job.
Read that Italy and other countries haven't included all their Care Home deaths yet. Even then, on a per capita basis, the UK has been about average.
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I want to be angry at the government. I want to hate Boris and stand from the rooftops stating he has blood on his hands. This country has suffered badly, very badly and they are the government.
But I just can’t. I feel a sense of duty to stick with them. Not because they’ve done a great job - I don’t think they have. But we are in this together. I’ve done my bit, as has most of the country. We’ve distanced, we’ve clapped, we’ve helped out others, we’ve done what’s been asked.
But most of all, two main reasons. Twitter and the media. Both have tried to divide at a time where unity is paramount. Standing by the government is my own protest against both of these despicable mediums. Both are cesspits with rare jewels, the inverse of what they should be.
It’s been quite an eye opener for me.
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The overwhelming majority of deaths in NZ have been in rest homes. My wife is in one run by the same outfit as one of the ones with fatalities. They instigated a strict no visitor policy two weeks before we moved to Lvl 2. All staff are in full PPE - all the time. Every staff member has their temperature taken at the start of every shift and the residents twice a day. Yet still they had an outbreak.
We've seen here that when there has been a rest home with an outbreak patients are moved into a public hospital because of a lack of staff resources in the rest home. We are lucky to have that option.
The article suggests things were much different in the UK. Looking from afar with hindsight it does seem like the UK wasted the little time it had to get its shit together.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The overwhelming majority of deaths in NZ have been in rest homes. My wife is in one run by the same outfit as one of the ones with fatalities. They instigated a strict no visitor policy two weeks before we moved to Lvl 2. All staff are in full PPE - all the time. Every staff member has their temperature taken at the start of every shift and the residents twice a day. Yet still they had an outbreak.
We've seen here that when there has been a rest home with an outbreak patients are moved into a public hospital because of a lack of staff resources in the rest home. We are lucky to have that option.
The article suggests things were much different in the UK. Looking from afar with hindsight it does seem like the UK wasted the little time it had to get its shit together.
I hope your wife is heathy and well there, must be a scary time for everyone in Rest Homes at the moment.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I want to be angry at the government. I want to hate Boris and stand from the rooftops stating he has blood on his hands. This country has suffered badly, very badly and they are the government.
But I just can’t. I feel a sense of duty to stick with them. Not because they’ve done a great job - I don’t think they have. But we are in this together. I’ve done my bit, as has most of the country. We’ve distanced, we’ve clapped, we’ve helped out others, we’ve done what’s been asked.
Pretty much sums things up, but I keep asking myself two questions:
First, could the government have done better?
In hindsight, absolutely. But they have followed the scientific advice they received, published that advice where possible and seem to have done the best they could. Some things have been brilliant (NHS capacity, ventilators), others impossible to get 100% right (testing & PPE), Care homes look to have been a mistake.
Second, would any other government done any better or worse?
Other than by luck, probably not.
But most of all, two main reasons. Twitter and the media. Both have tried to divide at a time where unity is paramount. Standing by the government is my own protest against both of these despicable mediums. Both are cesspits with rare jewels, the inverse of what they should be.
It's the sheer ineptitude of the the likes of the media, like the BBC & Times, thinking they can push out fake news and obvious political bias and not get called out, that gets me.
And Twitter can just go fuck itself.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The article suggests things were much different in the UK. Looking from afar with hindsight it does seem like the UK wasted the little time it had to get its shit together
There's been a raft of stories on this. Much of it simply wrong.
E.g. the Sunday Times ran a story 3-4 weeks ago trying to make the point that the government had sat on its hands for weeks. The story proved to be bollocks after the government published a detailed timetable of the actions they took from mid-January - meeting dates, attendees etc. See link.
That said, it's fair to say that wrong decisions were made and the advisors have said that they got some of the advice they gave to the government wrong.