Coronavirus - Overall
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'd really like to know why some of the British cabinet are the only world leaders to have gotten it.
It only takes 1...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Even if "decisive" action was against scientific advice? There has been criticism that sports events like Cheltenham should have been stopped, but the scientific advice at the time was to let it continue.
One of the real challenges is that there's lots of different scientific advice, and it often conflicts. FFS, we can't even agree if mask wearing is a good thing or not.
For the public mask wearing won't stop ingestion of CV particles in the air around one. Face covering can limit the 'spray' of coughs, and thereby limit spread.
I think what UK is struggling with is how the public would respond to the message that wearing a mask won't protect the wearer, it's only to protect the others.
The Asian angle (Taiwan and China for example) was that the population felt safer with the masks on, which was seen as a benefit
I think where they're headed here is PPE MASKS in hospitals, but FACE COVERINGS on public transport, which I expect to be compulsary.
If I was riding the tube everyday I think I'd feel happier wearing one too
Then wear one. But don't force others to.
The world has gone form one mad extreme (seriously ill people traveling on public transport etc) to the other one (healthy people being forced to wear masks)
The key is to stop sick people traveling or working. Or going out and spreading all their germs about. Protecting and supporting vulnerable people. But then let the rest get on with their lives. Without wearing silly masks.Otherwise where will it all stop. Maybe ban cars etc. Or stop all risky activities like mountain climbing.
I hate the nanny state and nanny state control freak leaders.
I agree.
The horrendous problem is that asymptomatic infectees can cough mildly once or twice in a tube journey and potentially infect most of the carriage.
I expect those choosing not to wear face covering on public transport to get evil eye.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
One of the big eye-openers for me is how so many eminent people in the professions, universities and "serious media" have strong political agendas and think it OK to pursue them in an unprecedented health crisis without people noticing.
It's all a desparate emotional backlash against Brexit.
None so blind as those which see.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A real worry that on Thursday 7th May the media is full of 'stories/facts/opinions/fake news' on what Boris is going to deliver to the UK on Sunday.
There's a real de-mob happy vibe being put out there which could go disastrously wrong if Boris tells us we still have to stay in.
Yes, agree, this is a right fuck up. Lots of people will expect a mass loosening next week so will go nuts on the long weekend.
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'd really like to know why some of the British cabinet are the only world leaders to have gotten it.
Something to do with shaking hands would be my guess
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
One of the big eye-openers for me is how so many eminent people in the professions, universities and "serious media" have strong political agendas and think it OK to pursue them in an unprecedented health crisis without people noticing.
It's all a desparate emotional backlash against Brexit.
None so blind as those which see.
100% this.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
One of the big eye-openers for me is how so many eminent people in the professions, universities and "serious media" have strong political agendas and think it OK to pursue them in an unprecedented health crisis without people noticing.
It's all a desparate emotional backlash against Brexit.
None so blind as those which see.
I thought you were being ironic for a while there. But then Professor Helen Ward who's often in the media attacking the government on Coronavirus said on Twitter.
"professional academic me - is inseparable from the me that cares about kicking out the tories, stopping brexit and supporting Labour" Twitter 7 Dec 2019
Def. one who's opinion is to be valued then...
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'd really like to know why some of the British cabinet are the only world leaders to have gotten it.
There was a article I read comparing the UK to places like the US, France & Germany. They have medical teams dedicated to the countries leaders & cabinets with, in the US's case, daily testing. The UK PM & Cabinet doesn't.
I recall there were many questions asked about Hancock & BoJo jumping the testing queue when they were tested. Time some people grew-up methinks.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A real worry that on Thursday 7th May the media is full of 'stories/facts/opinions/fake news' on what Boris is going to deliver to the UK on Sunday.
There's a real de-mob happy vibe being put out there which could go disastrously wrong if Boris tells us we still have to stay in.
Guido makes this point by taking the piss out of The Telegraph.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
One of the big eye-openers for me is how so many eminent people in the professions, universities and "serious media" have strong political agendas and think it OK to pursue them in an unprecedented health crisis without people noticing.
It's all a desparate emotional backlash against Brexit.
None so blind as those which see.
I thought you were being ironic for a while there. But then Professor Helen Ward who's often in the media attacking the government on Coronavirus said on Twitter.
"professional academic me - is inseparable from the me that cares about kicking out the tories, stopping brexit and supporting Labour" Twitter 7 Dec 2019
Def. one who's opinion is to be valued then...
I read one of her shocking 'exposes' in the Guardiad.
Was not shocked to find that it was almost entirely highsight assertion and anti-Government vindictive.
Most of these 'experts' don't even seem to have clocked that a PPE Tsar has been appointed to sort out PHE/NHS logistical brain fade.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Most of these 'experts' don't even seem to have clocked that a PPE Tsar has been appointed to sort out PHE/NHS logistical brain fade.
One senses any failings of the NHS/PHE won't be investigated, addressed and improved, sadly.
Far too precious a national institution to come under any serious scrutiny.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
One of the big eye-openers for me is how so many eminent people in the professions, universities and "serious media" have strong political agendas and think it OK to pursue them in an unprecedented health crisis without people noticing.
It's all a desparate emotional backlash against Brexit.
None so blind as those which see.
I thought you were being ironic for a while there.
All was a bit over the top, which I know is frowned upon here, but definitely much of it!
But then Professor Helen Ward who's often in the media attacking the government on Coronavirus said on Twitter.
"professional academic me - is inseparable from the me that cares about kicking out the tories, stopping brexit and supporting Labour" Twitter 7 Dec 2019
Def. one who's opinion is to be valued then...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Most of these 'experts' don't even seem to have clocked that a PPE Tsar has been appointed to sort out PHE/NHS logistical brain fade.
One senses any failings of the NHS/PHE won't be investigated, addressed and improved, sadly.
Far too precious a national institution to come under any serious scrutiny.
It’s pissing me off big time this.
I’ve not seen one single criticism to anybody in the NHS, it’s all going straight at the government. What’s the point if senior staff there if they face zero criticism?
Surely if you are senior in the NHS you should be looking outside the tunnel. That’s what senior responsibility is about. Looking long term, doing your own research and ensuring you aren’t blindsided. If senior hospital staff weren’t ordering extra PPE from December and relying on the govt, they serve no purpose.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Surely if you are senior in the NHS you should be looking outside the tunnel. That’s what senior responsibility is about.
My professional experience of NHS management is limited but they do seem to have little power to actually manage in the accepted sense of the word.
At best they appear to administrators with the power really being held by civil servants, politically-appointed commissars and senior medical people.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'd really like to know why some of the British cabinet are the only world leaders to have gotten it.
Didn't the Iran leadership also get it, and it was pretty close to Trudeau as well.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Even if "decisive" action was against scientific advice? There has been criticism that sports events like Cheltenham should have been stopped, but the scientific advice at the time was to let it continue.
One of the real challenges is that there's lots of different scientific advice, and it often conflicts. FFS, we can't even agree if mask wearing is a good thing or not.
For the public mask wearing won't stop ingestion of CV particles in the air around one. Face covering can limit the 'spray' of coughs, and thereby limit spread.
I think what UK is struggling with is how the public would respond to the message that wearing a mask won't protect the wearer, it's only to protect the others.
The Asian angle (Taiwan and China for example) was that the population felt safer with the masks on, which was seen as a benefit
I think where they're headed here is PPE MASKS in hospitals, but FACE COVERINGS on public transport, which I expect to be compulsary.
If I was riding the tube everyday I think I'd feel happier wearing one too
Then wear one. But don't force others to.
The world has gone form one mad extreme (seriously ill people traveling on public transport etc) to the other one (healthy people being forced to wear masks)
The key is to stop sick people traveling or working. Or going out and spreading all their germs about. Protecting and supporting vulnerable people. But then let the rest get on with their lives. Without wearing silly masks.Otherwise where will it all stop. Maybe ban cars etc. Or stop all risky activities like mountain climbing.
I hate the nanny state and nanny state control freak leaders.
I agree.
The horrendous problem is that asymptomatic infectees can cough mildly once or twice in a tube journey and potentially infect most of the carriage.
I expect those choosing not to wear face covering on public transport to get evil eye.
If Govt leaders (the parent figures to many) tell people its up to them they wont give them the evil eye.
"can cough mildly once or twice"
But that's also why vulnerable people should be treated differently. Focus on this group rather than destroying the economy. And peoples lives with it -
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'd really like to know why some of the British cabinet are the only world leaders to have gotten it.
Didn't the Iran leadership also get it, and it was pretty close to Trudeau as well.
Didn't one of the Iranian polys die after getting it? Also, old potato head Dutton got it over here in Oz as well.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
and it was pretty close to Trudeau as well
Didn't know Covid-19 wore a skirt....
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger How does having to wear a mask on the tube destroy the economy or peoples lives?
Where did I post that it did?
edit. although my view is wearing a mask is not healthy. Breathing in fresh air is. So if the Govt was really concerned about out health legislate to ensure for example building circulate air frequently and its more carefully enforced and understood. I have worked in building where the MD cut of the air circulating system to save costs during winter (big surprise almost everyone - but luckily not me as I slightly opened a window beside me - got sick. Including the MD). Or buildings where the air is terrible. Or trains likewise with these sealed windows and lots coughing inside. Or even home environments can be poor with mold etc in homes.
Focus on the sick staying at home too. But don't lock the healthy at home and stop them for example walking on the beach. This is complete madness. And let them breath in the fresh air and enjoy the sunlight without wearing a mask.
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Meanwhile in Old South Wales
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Meanwhile in Old South Wales
Imagine if Chip Alley was still running as usual...