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@Winger said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Just watching his first speech. Man does he need some rapid communication training. Holds his head down reading off his speech notes instead of just talking naturally. Has not looked like he is talking to the viewers once yet.
Come on.
He came across outstandingly well. He's an excellent speaker, definitely looks the part and comes across as a decent down to earth bloke.
If that is your level of 'excellence' in public speaking then fair enough. He certainly didn't come across as any top orator or communicator to me. Outstanding is a description I would save for much better.
Looks what part?I do find this quite funny though as his attraction for you is all things that you couldn't apply in a month of Sundays to your favourite politician in the US
Trump.
Excellent speaker? = rambling brain farter
Looks the part? = if the part is a cartoon baddie
Decent? = pussy grabbing, bankrupt that calls opponents childish names
Down to earth? = kitschy gold everything -
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Well at least Mr Muller has a devoted fanboy already.
Enough to put you off him!
There was nothing outstanding about that speech but I do think he is head and shoulders a better option than Bridges.
Only way National will get back into power in September is if we have a similar scenario as last election when the party with the most votes doesn't Govern
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It really does suck that our minor parties are such a shambles. Even the idea of Labour governing alone without any need to play nicely with others gives me hives, because apart from charismatic leader there is fark all in the engine room. Be interesting to see how Muller goes, and if this makes a real difference to poll numbers. (More than thank fark no more dipshit Bridges)
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@Hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Well at least Mr Muller has a devoted fanboy already.
Enough to put you off him!
There was nothing outstanding about that speech but I do think he is head and shoulders a better option than Bridges.
Only way National will get back into power in September is if we have a similar scenario as last election when the party with the most votes doesn't Govern
Yeah. I agree with @dogmeat . I think his message was on point and the taint of Bridges has been wiped out.
It was Bridges job to critique the handling of the crisis but it came across as unfounded criticism which made him even less endearing than he already was.
Muller has at least cleverly pushed aside any battleground of critiquing the handling and decisions made in regard to the health aspects. That removes the ability for Labour to campaign hard on it.
I fully agree with the message that we need the best people and policies to recover. It is now up to Muller to offer up a palatable alternative that isn't just a slightly different take.
IMO he will attract back votes from those that subscribe to the idea that a business focussed govt is best for all. Whether that is enough to topple those that want to show appreciation for leadership in crisis and a possibly a vision of using this to put something 'new' in place will be seen.
He will have to show that his shadow cabinet is the 'much stronger' one by some degree. I think Jacinda can almost admit that she may have some weaknesses in cabinet, her core leadership group can keep them in line.
Edit: One thing I do like about him so far is that he doesn't appear like subscribing to divisive left wing bad, right wing good politics. Let's hope that can continue and we can decide on who we each think has the best way forward.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
I can't remember where the article was but Cindy thinks a four day working week is something to consider. Spoken like someone whose closest thing to a real private sector job was her after school stint with the Morrinsville fish and chip shop
Did you actually read what she said? She was throwing an out of the square idea whereby businesses that had furthered their recognition that sitting at a desk for 40 hours spread over 5 days isn't always the be all and end all could look at being productivity based or offer 4 day weeks of the same total expectations. You can even look at doing this maybe once a month and rotating the option through groups so that it is no different to people being on holiday. Just think differently and it could set free a bunch of non official three day weekends that will help tourism.
She wasn't dictating anything just throwing the idea out there for businesses to look at.We had staff years ago that wanted to have a 4 x 10 hour day arrangement and it worked for us as well as them. They got more usable free time and we got a happy staff member. Win win.
My wife had just negotiated the same arrangement at the beginning of the year and is much happier and feels more productive, especially churning out some focussed work once others have gone home without feeling like she has to work longer unpaid hours to do so.
one outcome i would love this fucked up situation to have is that it does away with the way work is viewed as "hours in a chair". If someone can achieve their specific work tasks in 4 days, then why the hell not have a 4 day week?
We've allowed our work to just creep and creep into the rest of our lives. Going home on time is viewed as going home early. Work emails on your phone. taking your laptop on holiday. It's fucking ridiculous. There is also an enormous amount of untaken leave out there, as people are "too busy".
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IMHO, NZ really lacks a political party for the hardworking, thrifty, self-sufficient person or people who just want to get on with and in life. We have the liberal handout left and the business oriented right. No centrist party for the common man.
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@Billy-Tell said in NZ Politics:
IMHO, NZ really lacks a political party for the hardworking, thrifty, self-sufficient person or people who just want to get on with and in life. We have the liberal handout left and the business oriented right. No centrist party for the common man.
wait, NZ has two centre parties?
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial I didn't see it only heard it on radio. Disappointing if he was that poor however I thought his messaging was spot on and he didn't stray from it during questioning.
United caucus. It's all about the economy. Labour have done a terrific job managing COVID. Did I mention it was all about the economy. National is the party for the common person. Take it back from the Wtn bureaucrats. Who do you trust the party of the economy with all our talent or Labour who have presided over two years of failure to deliver. Por old Labour 2-3 talents and 17 empty seats (cruel but true). We will get people back into jobs, get the economy back on track. Great job Cindy but now the real work starting let someone who knows what they are doing take over.
On the radio at least Mullers first presser as Leader was better than any of Bridges over the last 2 1/2 years.
Yep, his message was the right one. It was just delivered with a very wooden personality and at times appeared like a schooled on class speech day. I'm sure that aspect will change if he takes on some training but you can't invent personality without looking false.
He does need to back up his over-arching ideal with some concrete policy quickly though. All very well saying 'we are the best and brightest' but you need to show people something to support that.
In very crude terms he came across as a 'businessman'. That will certainly appeal to some but to others he will be seen as 'another white male manager'. Is that going to play well against the nation's current 'mum'? We will see.
It'd be a pretty small minority of complete fucking morons that view him primarily as white and male. Loud on social media, but a small minority in the wider public.
Also, I don't know if it's just me but my cringe goes through the fucking roof every time Adern speaks. Everything looks so forced and unnatural. I struggle to keep watching her.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
I can't remember where the article was but Cindy thinks a four day working week is something to consider. Spoken like someone whose closest thing to a real private sector job was her after school stint with the Morrinsville fish and chip shop
Did you actually read what she said? She was throwing an out of the square idea whereby businesses that had furthered their recognition that sitting at a desk for 40 hours spread over 5 days isn't always the be all and end all could look at being productivity based or offer 4 day weeks of the same total expectations. You can even look at doing this maybe once a month and rotating the option through groups so that it is no different to people being on holiday. Just think differently and it could set free a bunch of non official three day weekends that will help tourism.
She wasn't dictating anything just throwing the idea out there for businesses to look at.We had staff years ago that wanted to have a 4 x 10 hour day arrangement and it worked for us as well as them. They got more usable free time and we got a happy staff member. Win win.
My wife had just negotiated the same arrangement at the beginning of the year and is much happier and feels more productive, especially churning out some focussed work once others have gone home without feeling like she has to work longer unpaid hours to do so.
Of course I didn't! The headline fitted my narrative, it's the way of the Fern!
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@mariner4life when I was living in the UK, due to the time Mrs TR started work, I would always start ~20 mins early, but left bang on 5, and one day someone called me on leaving on time all the time...I was like, so you dont notice I start about 20 mins early every single day?
I turned off email notifications on my phone, and I have maintained the 'finish at 5' (or whatever time I finish) ever since.
Fuck taking a laptop on holiday, I leave mine at work, dont even take it home on weekends!
BUt otherwise agree, if you can get through your work in 4 days, why shouldnt you be able to have a 3 day weekend (or skip Wednesday, whatever works)
Companies do need to be more flexible in that respect, give thier employees a bit more flexibility to get that balance right.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@mariner4life when I was living in the UK, due to the time Mrs TR started work, I would always start ~20 mins early, but left bang on 5, and one day someone called me on leaving on time all the time...I was like, so you dont notice I start about 20 mins early every single day?
I turned off email notifications on my phone, and I have maintained the 'finish at 5' (or whatever time I finish) ever since.
Fuck taking a laptop on holiday, I leave mine at work, dont even take it home on weekends!
BUt otherwise agree, if you can get through your work in 4 days, why shouldnt you be able to have a 3 day weekend (or skip Wednesday, whatever works)
Companies do need to be more flexible in that respect, give thier employees a bit more flexibility to get that balance right.
It's the old dichotomy of whether you're being paid for your work or your time. I think if you're an employer, you probably think the former. But, if you're an employer (or a manager), you probably think the latter.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Winger said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Just watching his first speech. Man does he need some rapid communication training. Holds his head down reading off his speech notes instead of just talking naturally. Has not looked like he is talking to the viewers once yet.
Come on.
He came across outstandingly well. He's an excellent speaker, definitely looks the part and comes across as a decent down to earth bloke.
If that is your level of 'excellence' in public speaking then fair enough. He certainly didn't come across as any top orator or communicator to me. Outstanding is a description I would save for much better.
Looks what part?I do find this quite funny though as his attraction for you is all things that you couldn't apply in a month of Sundays to your favourite politician in the US
Trump.
Excellent speaker? = rambling brain farter
Looks the part? = if the part is a cartoon baddie
Decent? = pussy grabbing, bankrupt that calls opponents childish names
Down to earth? = kitschy gold everythingYour Trump Derangement Syndrome is spilling over into the NZ politics thread Crucial.
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Does this change the calculus re: NZ First? I saw Bridges came out early saying there would be no coalition, but could that be revisited now or is that a hardline party position?
It is tough to see National getting anywhere near a majority, but with a bounce could they not easily achieve the inverse of the result at the last election and broker some sort of deal?
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@rotated said in NZ Politics:
Does this change the calculus re: NZ First? I saw Bridges came out early saying there would be no coalition, but could that be revisited now or is that a hardline party position?
It is tough to see National getting anywhere near a majority, but with a bounce could they not easily achieve the inverse of the result at the last election and broker some sort of deal?
I hate to say it, but assuming Winnie is up for another run they need to be a little more practical this time. Based on his performance this term, basically cockblocking every really bad idea the Greens and Labour cooked up, the Nats could make a case that he has been a responsible part of the government and that warrants consideration as a coalition partner this time. Unlike Key's administration, the Nats don't have the luxury of the Maori Party/ACT/United Future bloc as coalition partner. Winnie is in the box seat again, assuming he makes the threshold (as I expect him to do)
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@rotated said in NZ Politics:
Does this change the calculus re: NZ First? I saw Bridges came out early saying there would be no coalition, but could that be revisited now or is that a hardline party position?
It is tough to see National getting anywhere near a majority, but with a bounce could they not easily achieve the inverse of the result at the last election and broker some sort of deal?
I hate to say it, but assuming Winnie is up for another run they need to be a little more practical this time. Based on his performance this term, basically cockblocking every really bad idea the Greens and Labour cooked up, the Nats could make a case that he has been a responsible part of the government and that warrants consideration as a coalition partner this time. Unlike Key's administration, the Nats don't have the luxury of the Maori Party/ACT/United Future bloc as coalition partner. Winnie is in the box seat again, assuming he makes the threshold (as I expect him to do)
Rationally, I get that. But how do you go into coalition talks with someone who secretly filed papers sueing you the day before entering into good faith talks? There are still a few months to go to the election ... hammering the SFO, the links ot racing and fishing donors all go away if he's a potential coalition partner. I'd be very very concerned, but can't see a way back without him.
Glad I'm not in charge of that decision .... and who's to say he won't do the whole kingmaker shtick again and screw National again?
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