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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@mariner4life when I was living in the UK, due to the time Mrs TR started work, I would always start ~20 mins early, but left bang on 5, and one day someone called me on leaving on time all the time...I was like, so you dont notice I start about 20 mins early every single day?
I turned off email notifications on my phone, and I have maintained the 'finish at 5' (or whatever time I finish) ever since.
Fuck taking a laptop on holiday, I leave mine at work, dont even take it home on weekends!
BUt otherwise agree, if you can get through your work in 4 days, why shouldnt you be able to have a 3 day weekend (or skip Wednesday, whatever works)
Companies do need to be more flexible in that respect, give thier employees a bit more flexibility to get that balance right.
It's the old dichotomy of whether you're being paid for your work or your time. I think if you're an employer, you probably think the former. But, if you're an employer (or a manager), you probably think the latter.
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Winger said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Just watching his first speech. Man does he need some rapid communication training. Holds his head down reading off his speech notes instead of just talking naturally. Has not looked like he is talking to the viewers once yet.
Come on.
He came across outstandingly well. He's an excellent speaker, definitely looks the part and comes across as a decent down to earth bloke.
If that is your level of 'excellence' in public speaking then fair enough. He certainly didn't come across as any top orator or communicator to me. Outstanding is a description I would save for much better.
Looks what part?I do find this quite funny though as his attraction for you is all things that you couldn't apply in a month of Sundays to your favourite politician in the US
Trump.
Excellent speaker? = rambling brain farter
Looks the part? = if the part is a cartoon baddie
Decent? = pussy grabbing, bankrupt that calls opponents childish names
Down to earth? = kitschy gold everythingYour Trump Derangement Syndrome is spilling over into the NZ politics thread Crucial.
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Does this change the calculus re: NZ First? I saw Bridges came out early saying there would be no coalition, but could that be revisited now or is that a hardline party position?
It is tough to see National getting anywhere near a majority, but with a bounce could they not easily achieve the inverse of the result at the last election and broker some sort of deal?
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@rotated said in NZ Politics:
Does this change the calculus re: NZ First? I saw Bridges came out early saying there would be no coalition, but could that be revisited now or is that a hardline party position?
It is tough to see National getting anywhere near a majority, but with a bounce could they not easily achieve the inverse of the result at the last election and broker some sort of deal?
I hate to say it, but assuming Winnie is up for another run they need to be a little more practical this time. Based on his performance this term, basically cockblocking every really bad idea the Greens and Labour cooked up, the Nats could make a case that he has been a responsible part of the government and that warrants consideration as a coalition partner this time. Unlike Key's administration, the Nats don't have the luxury of the Maori Party/ACT/United Future bloc as coalition partner. Winnie is in the box seat again, assuming he makes the threshold (as I expect him to do)
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@rotated said in NZ Politics:
Does this change the calculus re: NZ First? I saw Bridges came out early saying there would be no coalition, but could that be revisited now or is that a hardline party position?
It is tough to see National getting anywhere near a majority, but with a bounce could they not easily achieve the inverse of the result at the last election and broker some sort of deal?
I hate to say it, but assuming Winnie is up for another run they need to be a little more practical this time. Based on his performance this term, basically cockblocking every really bad idea the Greens and Labour cooked up, the Nats could make a case that he has been a responsible part of the government and that warrants consideration as a coalition partner this time. Unlike Key's administration, the Nats don't have the luxury of the Maori Party/ACT/United Future bloc as coalition partner. Winnie is in the box seat again, assuming he makes the threshold (as I expect him to do)
Rationally, I get that. But how do you go into coalition talks with someone who secretly filed papers sueing you the day before entering into good faith talks? There are still a few months to go to the election ... hammering the SFO, the links ot racing and fishing donors all go away if he's a potential coalition partner. I'd be very very concerned, but can't see a way back without him.
Glad I'm not in charge of that decision .... and who's to say he won't do the whole kingmaker shtick again and screw National again?
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@nzzp oh yeah. He LOVES the drama and theatrics of being kingmaker. And if he gets above the threshold, he's the only one who could do it. ACT will only have one seat. The Greens are hemorrhaging support and may not make 5%. The other minor parties are margin of error territory at best. (This of course assumes Muller can claw back support so the gap isn't so big.)
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Despite Winnie's antics around election time he has actually done a pretty good job over the years (on both sides). He usually only demands one palatable payback piece for his supporters.
People I know that have had to deal with him on a professional/govt level usually say good things about him. Say that, unlike some other politicians (cough Brownie) he actually reads and asks questions about briefings and will accept expertise around policy.
He is very good in a Foreign role (apart from the odd misplaced lip shoot) as he appreciates that he is representing NZ and not himself. Of course 'playing the charmer' at get togethers is right up his alley.
I don't mind him being our government temper to be honest. He hasn't caused any great damage and ruling parties know that they can't get too extreme.
I am no fan of his political style or message but he has learned how to wield his 'power' well. I actually think we will miss him when he is gone. -
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Now hes just got to stop being Catholic and he might pass
I'm not entering an abortion debate, but politically he has probably alienated a large group of voters by telling women what they can / can't do with their bodies. Didn't seem very wise on day one.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Now hes just got to stop being Catholic and he might pass
I'm not entering an abortion debate, but politically he has probably alienated a large group of voters by telling women what they can / can't do with their bodies. Didn't seem very wise on day one.
Does seem a bit odd when his opposition has appeal to the same 'market'.
Admittedly he didn't mince around the subject but a potential leader that straight out says that his faith/cult has a big influence on his decision making has some work to do to convince me that he isn't representing a minority at the cost of the majority.
He's is entitled to his faith and views but IMO the leader of a diverse country needs to show that they temper their own views. The PMs job should not be a conscience vote.
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He has to vote one way or the other. On that or any number of issues. Either way he runs the risk of alienating a bunch of people who hold strongly opposing views.
How many people will have such strong opinions about a single issue they'll make their decision based on that alone?
I did read somewhere this morning that he is probably lucky that he hasn't had too many controversial decisions to defend.
And how his morality and ethics are shaped shouldn't be an issue, but if it is well and good. Along the same lines he shouldn't change who he is in order to appeal to a particular bunch of people who have a different view.
On a different note, given he apparently shepherded through the Zero Carbon Act I wonder how that equates with his biggest Fern fan and known Climate Change skeptic...
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
He has to vote one way or the other.
For sure, but it might have been better not to jump heap first into a political pile of shit on his first day, and as @crucial said moderate the message a bit. He missed an opportunity to say nothing, or avoid the issue as you would expect of a good politician.
As for voting on that issue alone? It does seem to be quite polarising for some.
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@rotated Muller and Winston have both said they can work together.
Tough to tell what the impact on the vote that will have - no doubt some anti-NZ First votes are going National's way currently, but they might swing behind Labour or ACT to minimise Winston's influence.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Muller and Winston have both said they can work together.
Strange isn't it.
Makes it quite difficult to vote if you don't want Winston in the mix. Obviously not NZ first, Labour teamed up with him this time, Nats might next time. Greens are getting better but still too left wing for a centrist voter . Weird situation where you can't actually vote for anyone because of the Winston factor.Edit: MMP might work better if the parties were forced to declare allegiances before the poll. At least we would know what we are voting for.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
He has to vote one way or the other.
For sure, but it might have been better not to jump heap first into a political pile of shit on his first day, and as @crucial said moderate the message a bit. He missed an opportunity to say nothing, or avoid the issue as you would expect of a good politician.
As for voting on that issue alone? It does seem to be quite polarising for some.
He is fully entitled to vote personally (as long as his constituents are OK with that).
The comment as you say @Snowy, was a bit politically naive. He should have taken the opportunity to differentiate between his job as leader and his personal conscience. he needs to understand that he has two hats now and adjust his answers accordingly. -
Farmers may be happy, but he's a socially conservative catholic who went to the states during the US Trump election and is already having to defend his MAGA memorabilia.
I don't see how he is going to appeal to enough voters to trip up Ardern, especially given his support for Abortion. I'm a staunch National voter and he will have a hard time with me.
Had they switched Kaye and him around, he might have been a good right brace and nod to the farmers for a centrist party, but this appointment will make it much easier to paint the Nats as 'far right' 'Trump supporters' etc. etc (whether that is true or not).
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