Coronavirus - Overall
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Just seen a headline saying he's facing a possible police investigation. Fucken hell. What a retarded waste.
It's the bloke who's making the complaint about Cummings being at Castle Barnard going to the Police. He, in turn, is now being asked what he was doing in the same place 60 miles from his home
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
And Cabinet Secretary also had it and went off grid. Only came out a few days ago.
Even more opaque!You forgot Jenny Harries, Steve Powell, General Nick Carter & Chris Whitty.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
We have very different views on this.
Hopefully we'll agree to disagree.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew bojo should have ditched him for now. Big middle finger to the media which is understandable but probably not wise.
He's taking a gamble, that's for sure. Poss. thinks the media are in such bad odour, it's an OK strategy.
It's difficult for his political opponents. Attack Cummings actions too much and they can be seen as using a family problem for political purposes.
I think the whole thing has been handled appallingly though
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I don’t care enough to even engage in debate. That’s my point.
Has no bearing on anything other than political points. Not relevant.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king
Here's the guidance on living with kids if you have coronavirus and isolating.
Seems pretty clear to me. If I had concerns my wife and I had Covid and had a 4 year old kid, I'd do my best to care for my family.
Yeah but even ignoring the perceptions that his actions would likely cause, was this his best option, let alone his only option? Does he not have a private support group in London? Does he not have access to high levels of care and medical support in the major city in the UK?
I can quite understand your view about doing the best to care for your kid, I would be the same. But you and I do not have the same access to facilities that he has. Given that access, the proximity of first class medical care and ancillary support would you, whilst exhibiting symptoms of Covid-19 decide to drive 250 miles to a place with less professional support and with no protection or support for the journey? Would that be doing the best for your kid?
I really do not buy his story at all. It does not bear scrutiny in the slightest.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
We have very different views on this.
Hopefully we'll agree to disagree.
I think when kids and medical matters are concerned, politicians and Snr civil servants deserve some space.
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118 today. Our lowest it seems like forever. Great stuff.
Got hammered at in laws place today. Gave social distancing the heave ho if honest. As adults we made our call on it and enjoyed ourselves.
Watched Boris presser with glass of vino on hand. He basically gave the media wolf pack the middle finger. As much as I physically hate the media, I’m not sure thst was a great idea.
Standard set anyway.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
We have very different views on this.
Hopefully we'll agree to disagree.
I think when kids and medical matters are concerned, politicians and Snr civil servants deserve some space.
For sure, but I’m not certain that it applies in this case. To me it looks like he is playing that card. Does he then deserve some space? I might be seeming a little harsh on Cummings here and that might be because, as alluded to earlier it has been handled badly, though I fear it is not just that. Anyway, I think I’m done with this one until one of you bastards reels me back in. 😎
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Does he not have a private support group in London? Does he not have access to high levels of care and medical support in the major city in the UK?
I don't know about what access to care and family he had in London. He'd want to be with family (who are in Durham) as would anyone. It may have been a crap decision, but it's understandable
I think what you are saying that as he's a Snr Advisor, he should have had access to and used facilities not available to Joe Public as he was a different case. But isn't the criticism against him that he saw himself different to Joe Public?
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
For sure, but I’m not certain that it applies in this case. To me it looks like he is playing that card.
I take your point, But I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt - as any parent does in that situation.
Anyway, I think I’m done with this one until one of you bastards reels me back in.
It's a new week tomorrow. Start by researching R rates & airliner sales futures...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
For sure, but I’m not certain that it applies in this case. To me it looks like he is playing that card.
I take your point, But I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt - as any parent does in that situation.
Anyway, I think I’m done with this one until one of you bastards reels me back in.
It's a new week tomorrow. Start by researching R rates & airliner sales futures...
And don't forget lockdown reveal 5 p.m. Thursday!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
For sure, but I’m not certain that it applies in this case. To me it looks like he is playing that card.
I take your point, But I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt - as any parent does in that situation.
Anyway, I think I’m done with this one until one of you bastards reels me back in.
It's a new week tomorrow. Start by researching R rates & airliner sales futures...
Benefit of the doubt? That’s not the current British way!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
For sure, but I’m not certain that it applies in this case. To me it looks like he is playing that card.
I take your point, But I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt - as any parent does in that situation.
Anyway, I think I’m done with this one until one of you bastards reels me back in.
It's a new week tomorrow. Start by researching R rates & airliner sales futures...
Benefit of the doubt? That’s not the current British way!
It's not cricket!
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I never agreed with this lock-down
I don't agree that healthy, law abiding people should have their movements restricted (has it ever been done before). Or their rights to run a business or work stopped. Or to play sport etc. Rather it should have been a more focused. Where sick people are told to stay at home. Working at home is encouraged.
And the vulnerable are protected. The last point is key. That was the sensible path. Protect the vulnerable and let the rest get on with their lives
The outcome will be a disaster. One example below. The nanny state and its outcome (And I can't see how the economy will recover from this for years)
We suggested, at the beginning of April, that a "suicide wave" was imminent considering the economic devastation sparked by COVID-19 lockdowns. In the last nine weeks, 38.6 million Americans have lost their jobs and were thrown into instant poverty. Many were already skating on thin financial ice even before the pandemic, and now they've fallen through, drowning in insurmountable debts, no savings, and limited lifelines.
The first signs of a suicide wave could be originating in California. ABC7 News reports doctors and nurses at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, in the East Bay region of the San Francisco Bay Area, are reporting deaths by suicide far exceed COVID-19 deaths during the pandemic.
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@Winger So you are basing this on anecdotal reports from one hospital in a renowned conspiracy theory promoting (and frequently banned) alt right blog. In a country that hasn't had much of a lockdown at all.
NZ which has had a comprehensive lockdown has had a reduction in the suicide rate - as has Japan and NSW.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger So you are basing this on anecdotal reports from one hospital in a renowned conspiracy theory promoting (and frequently banned) alt right blog. In a country that hasn't had much of a lockdown at all.
NZ which has had a comprehensive lockdown has had a reduction in the suicide rate - as has Japan and NSW.
I hope people don't go this far down. But the other aspect is destroying the economy that will lead to all sorts of hardships and stress. And taking away people's rights. Does the West want to continue down this path. I hope the answer is no.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Firstly that's been changed from when it took place.
The same para in in the guidance on 17 March - when it was first published.
But riddle me this, Boris gets it goes off the grid at Chequers and it's announced to the world. Transparent.
Cummings gets it, skulks off. No word. Secretive.
Hardly. It was in the press at the time when people were criticising the government for not taking enough care. Surely Cummings is entitled to the same privacy rights as any one else isn't he?
We have very different views on this.
Hopefully we'll agree to disagree.
I think when kids and medical matters are concerned, politicians and Snr civil servants deserve some space.
That's effectively a get out of gaol card.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger So you are basing this on anecdotal reports from one hospital in a renowned conspiracy theory promoting (and frequently banned) alt right blog. In a country that hasn't had much of a lockdown at all.
NZ which has had a comprehensive lockdown has had a reduction in the suicide rate - as has Japan and NSW.
Because people couldn't leave home. The increase will come when they're able to get a measure of privacy.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I never agreed with this lock-down
That's ... brave.
How do you not have a lockdown when you have community transmission of a virus that can transfer asymptomatically? I fundamentally disagree with you on that, it was a reasonable and sound call.
There's plenty of healthy discussion to be had on how aggressively you come out of lockdown, or allow activities that are safe (rather than trying to define essential), but going into the lockdown seems like Pandemic 101.