Coronavirus - Overall
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
If the article is to be believed
Sweden's mortality rate per capita is the highest in Europe.
The article didn't say this
"Sweden, a nation of 10.2 million people, has had 4468 deaths linked to Covid-19, which is far more than its Nordic neighbours and one of the highest death rates per capita in the world."
And its not
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
If the article is to be believed
Sweden's mortality rate per capita is the highest in Europe.
The article didn't say this
"Sweden, a nation of 10.2 million people, has had 4468 deaths linked to Covid-19, which is far more than its Nordic neighbours and one of the highest death rates per capita in the world."
And its not
Death rate is pretty meaningless across groups with different testing regimes.
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Sweden's death rate is nothing like one of the highest. Unsurprisingly it's a shit article when there are clearly more factors at play.
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@antipodean yeah according to THIS Sweden are 7th, Belgium are the worst aside from San Marino who have a population under 35k (with 42 deaths)
Italy, Spain, UK (in that order) all have worse death rates per million people than Sweden.
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@taniwharugby Thing that surprises me about Sweden is the low level of testing. The strategy does appear to have been Fuck It let's go have some herring and aquavit.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean yeah according to THIS Sweden are 7th, Belgium are the worst aside from San Marino who have a population under 35k (with 42 deaths)
Italy, Spain, UK (in that order) all have worse death rates per million people than Sweden.
Italy, Spain, UK, France and Belgium had far harder lockdowns than Sweden, but no better mortality wise.
And bear in mind a very big portion, if not majority, of Swedish cases in care homes. That seems the area where most regrets.
That said, pretty much all of the aforementioned countries have had scandalous death rates in such homes.
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A country that didn't lock down and didn't have a high death rate per head of population is Japan
Maybe its all due to how deaths are recorded though.
But this needs to be investigated openly and honestly otherwise nanny state Western leaders will do the same again (it's the nature of the beast). -
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A country that didn't lock down and didn't have a death rate per head of population is Japan
Maybe its all due to how deaths are recorded though.
But this needs to be investigated openly and honestly otherwise nanny state Western leaders will do the same again (it's the nature of the beast).Japan locked down and schools closed. What are you talking about? I work for a Japanese company and we had to send some secondees home to be with family for the lockdown
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A country that didn't lock down and didn't have a death rate per head of population is Japan
Maybe its all due to how deaths are recorded though.
But this needs to be investigated openly and honestly otherwise nanny state Western leaders will do the same again (it's the nature of the beast).Japan locked down and schools closed. What are you talking about? I work for a Japanese company and we had to send some secondees home to be with family for the lockdown
Not according to Corbett (who lives in the country)
The constitution doesn't allow the Govt to do much
A national emergency means ... nothing -
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A country that didn't lock down and didn't have a death rate per head of population is Japan
Maybe its all due to how deaths are recorded though.
But this needs to be investigated openly and honestly otherwise nanny state Western leaders will do the same again (it's the nature of the beast).Japan locked down and schools closed. What are you talking about? I work for a Japanese company and we had to send some secondees home to be with family for the lockdown
Not according to Corbett (who lives in the country)
The constitution doesn't allow the Govt to do much
A national emergency means ... nothingThey closed all the schools, I know that. Our company had to close down factories/mills as well. Not sure you're getting the full story there.
Sounds like a lockdown to me, just a in a different way
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@Winger Jeezuz man. The very link you post has it's own link to details on the Japanese lockdown.
No they didn't lock down immediately and yes it wasn't as proscriptive as NZ's but few countries have been. You've had guys on here posting about what it's like in Japan under lockdown. Like a Kiwi Lvl 2.5 it seems.
They shut schools very early and had the advantages of a very health conscious population who naturally wear masks and are respectful of peoples space. They also have low obesity rates and a first rate health system. Plus very effective contact tracing.
They came up with a response that was effective for their population. Not one that would probably have worked elsewhere, but it wasn't a Swedish scenario.
NZ had none of the above. A not very compliant population, high rates of obesity and other risk factors and a health system that wasn't prepared for the pandemic. Our lockdown worked for us because it got everyone onside - for a short time at least (the nauseating team of 5 million) but most importantly allowed the MoH to step up contact tracing and testing to a level where now if there are further outbreaks we should be able to contain them without going back up a Level.
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holy shit guys, how bored are you? It's winger for fucks sake.
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because I'm a dumb fluffybunny, can you explain that graph to me? How can the Aus line be going back up? And the data i have seen has Australia's cases per million actually lower than New Zealand's?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
because I'm a dumb fluffybunny, can you explain that graph to me? How can the Aus line be going back up? And the data i have seen has Australia's cases per million actually lower than New Zealand's?
I think it's charting new daily cases. Both Aus and NZ are below 1 per million, but given NZ hasn't had a new cases in ages it's lower than Aus who are still chalking up the odd case.
In NSW we have had about 15 cases this week, but all of them are overseas travellers in forced quarantine. So things are clearly getting better.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
because I'm a dumb fluffybunny, can you explain that graph to me? How can the Aus line be going back up? And the data i have seen has Australia's cases per million actually lower than New Zealand's?
I think it's charting new daily cases. Both Aus and NZ are below 1 per million, but given NZ hasn't had a new cases in ages it's lower than Aus who are still chalking up the odd case.
In NSW we have had about 15 cases this week, but all of them are overseas travellers in forced quarantine. So things are clearly getting better.
ah, ok. gotcha.
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yup it's the 7 day rolling average of confirmed cases/mill. A 7 day average is the best way to look at it because of variations in how numbers are collected and reported.
For most countries the number of the tests that they carry out drops markedly at the weekend and if your not testing you're not finding new cases. Then there's a second lag before the data goes through the local bureaucracy before being collated and reported. So typically fewer new cases Sat Sun Mon then a spike Tues as they catch up on the weekend before you get something like the real situation Wed-Fri. A 7 day rolling average flattens out these variations allowing something like the real picture to emerge.
Its still a useful little graph I think to see where the hotspots are and who is on top of the contagion. Latin America and South Asia are fucked. USA is just trucking along with a pretty flat line, most of Europe trending down although UK is slower than others and Sweden is still increasing.