Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@mariner4life Well you are doing good work in my AB Depth thread.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life Well you are doing good work in my AB Depth thread.
Sponsor a brother?
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And the government thinks granting exemptions is an appropriate thing to do? Trusting that two women will drive the length of the fucking North Island without touching a single public facility? Jesus Christ what is wrong with this government?
It really makes you wonder how much thought was actually put into the strategy of eliminating it. It should be patently obvious you can't let people skip the quarantine for any reason once we'd started getting rid of the virus.
If they don't even realise that, it gives me little faith their decision making took any of the implications of eliminating the virus into account.
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Or how could those directly responsible for managing this process fuck up so hard? Insufficient training/expectations? Too much latitude to make case by case calls? Miscommunication? The list could go on.
The takeaway for me (aside from the anger and facepalm about it all) is that we need umpteen layers of checks and double checks so our process is warertight. Where we err on the side of caution and recognize exemptions for individuals or small groups just add too much risk at this point. We've got to steel ourselves about the emotive stuff and genuine (and often heartbreaking) stories we'll keep hearing in the media.
Can't have our cake and eat it too unfortunately 😔
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I mean responsible for the carrying out of it I mean. The site manager, or whoever handles the day to day stuff.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Or how could those directly responsible for managing this process fuck up so hard?
Hubris is my guess. Believing their own press.
A competent manager routinely self-reviews and differentiates between the things that went well because you caused or expected it to happen, and the the ones where you just got lucky. Failure to see luck for what it is makes you complacent and prevents you from facing up to real risks. That’s why successful arse covering after a bad event is so destructive, you learn the wrong lessons.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby As I said, they expected more cases from overseas. The contact with people before, during and just after travel (up until the managed isolation facility), that's what they prepared for. Contact tracing (including alerting authorities in Brisbane and the UK) & testing.
The only thing that is different in this case is the exceptional circumstances which led them to get compassionate leave to exit the facility early and before they were tested. (Note that the stricter testing rules came into effect when we dropped to Level 1. This happened under Level 2.)
But there was a plan in place that provided for organised travel in a private vehicle (it belongs to a family member), testing in Wellington and going into self-isolation at the family member's home.
And, the obvious thing, hygiene standards that include washing your hands more often and not touching your face, should still be followed.
Is that you Clarke?
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After calming down a bit I assume this will be a blip, and perhaps a necessary blip, but it still pisses me off to no end that this was allowed to happen. Potentially risking lives of untold numbers due to an oversight after all the hard work to eliminate it.
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This is like Tonga winning the RWC, then ruining it by players getting caught weeing all over the trophy after a few drinks.
All NZ's feel-good triumph over covid jeopardised by a lackadaisical overseas arrival policy. Did they not learn something from the initial cases brought in from overseas?
My cousin died suddenly at the height of covid, family was restricted to 10 guests (when the the church would normally have been overflowing), and his brother in Brisbane couldn't attend.
Meanwhile, an exemption is granted to 2 people returning from one of the world's major covid hotspots.
Not impressed.
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@mofitzy_ said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
After calming down a bit I assume this will be a blip, and perhaps a necessary blip, but it still pisses me off to no end that this was allowed to happen. Potentially risking lives of untold numbers due to an oversight after all the hard work to eliminate it.
These two ladies were one of many exemptions apparently. If we dodge a bullet here it won't be through skill or smarts, just dumb luck
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@mofitzy_ yea I'm hoping it is a blip and turns out to be nothing more than the kick up the arse the Govt needs to ensure they keep out borders tight.
Yes they told us to expect more cases, but we expected these in our quarantine facilities from recent arrivals, which proves they are managing our borders properly, but incidents such as this prove things are not where they should be.
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I get that they can drive that distance on a tank of gas, my old holden can do so.
I get they can be prepared and have food and water for the trip so not having to stop.I don't get that there is one, let alone two women on this planet that can drive all that way with out having to go to the toilet..... twice!!
If it is proven that they stopped and went to the toilet in the forest or something then we don't have a lot to worry about (except the incompetence of letting them go in the first place)
I am very sceptical that they didn't use a public facility or a friends place on the way down.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that they can drive that distance on a tank of gas, my old holden can do so.
I get they can be prepared and have food and water for the trip so not having to stop.I don't get that there is one, let alone two women on this planet that can drive all that way with out having to go to the toilet..... twice!!
If it is proven that they stopped and went to the toilet in the forest or something then we don't have a lot to worry about (except the incompetence of letting them go in the first place)
I am very sceptical that they didn't use a public facility or a friends place on the way down.
First thing my wife said too. We are being lied to.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that they can drive that distance on a tank of gas, my old holden can do so.
I get they can be prepared and have food and water for the trip so not having to stop.I don't get that there is one, let alone two women on this planet that can drive all that way with out having to go to the toilet..... twice!!
If it is proven that they stopped and went to the toilet in the forest or something then we don't have a lot to worry about (except the incompetence of letting them go in the first place)
I am very sceptical that they didn't use a public facility or a friends place on the way down.
Well yeah, but really when you apply for your exemption and say you won't need fuel and won't need to stop for fuel...but if you do you'll just piss on the side of the road...what official is signing that off?
Be interesting as to how they acquired any supplies if they did too.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that they can drive that distance on a tank of gas, my old holden can do so.
I get they can be prepared and have food and water for the trip so not having to stop.I don't get that there is one, let alone two women on this planet that can drive all that way with out having to go to the toilet..... twice!!
If it is proven that they stopped and went to the toilet in the forest or something then we don't have a lot to worry about (except the incompetence of letting them go in the first place)
I am very sceptical that they didn't use a public facility or a friends place on the way down.
Well yeah, but really when you apply for your exemption and say you won't need fuel and won't need to stop for fuel...but if you do you'll just piss on the side of the road...what official is signing that off?
Be interesting as to how they acquired any supplies if they did too.
A family member dropped a car off to them. I'm sure the official story will be that it was fully supplied
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We were told to treat everybody as if they had Covid - including ourselves - and yet when 2 people actually have it we let them roam the countryside. Crass stupidity.
Meanwhile this one slipped through almost unnoticed
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340406
FFS I want to see someone's head on a pike. And these two teens can fuck off back where they came from. Regardless of if they are NZ citizens or not
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There was an ex Radio NZ journo interviewed on Morning Report today. She is managed isolation at the Novotel Akl Airport.
What she had to say was very disturbing. Everything from the moment she touched down has been very organised and professional. Temperature taken and an in depth interview before getting to immigration. Everyone socially distancing. Taken to a conference facility at the hotel for more screening asked questions about dietary requirements etc. Every day they have to answer questions about their health and they are tested twice whilst in managed isolation. Hotel staff in full PPE and social distancing at all times. Communication very clear. A thoroughly professional set up.
However - Air NZ FFS.
She flew London - Melbourne on Emirates. One passenger per row - you had to wear a mask at all times - even when asleep. If the mask slipped you would be woken to adjust it. Stewardesses in full PPE throughout.
Contrast this with ANZ on the Melbourne - Akl leg. Plane was a code share with every seat occupied. No social distancing. Effectively a pre-COVID flight. Stewards had no PPE and when asked confirmed that when they land they go home to their families with no restrictions at all. So the cabin staff on the flight with the two new cases could have been sitting next to you for a couple of hours at Eden Park, at the table adjacent at the café or standing in the queue with you at the shops.
This is happening every day and is IMO an even greater risk than the two women who escaped quarantine